A Mechanics Fate?

[USA320Pilot]

In my opinion, unless the IAM agrees to meet with the company to discuss the "Going Forward Plan", presuming the company wins the A320 heavy maintenance outsourcing grievance (considering historical percentages the company will win the grievance), most of US Airways mechanics could end up like 17-year veteran Sam Wood.

As Sam said, "You don't miss what you have until it's gone."

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Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[AP Tech]

If you noticed, he voted yes and you see where the loyality to the company got him........straight to the streets!!!! Many asked if Tpa was on the chopping block and they continued to deny it until they reported to work on Thanksgiving and the doors were locked!!!!! So 320 where does that leave your theory of barginging in good faith with this managmenteam..........

 

[PITbull]

USA320,

You have some nerve coming on here spuing that crap.....lots of gall.


No one is going to save your butt in your left seat. Just so we are clear from the rest of labor to you. This company is going to be sold. And your job will be outsourced. They don't need you, or the pilots or the rest of the employees once the airline is acquired. Your a fool to think you would be included.

 

[USA320Pilot]

PITBull:

PITBull said: "This company is going to be sold. And your job will be outsourced. They don't need you, or the pilots or the rest of the employees once the airline is acquired. Your a fool to think you would be included."

USA320Pilot asks: PITBull, I find your comments incongruent with ALPA's views. With all due respect, what's your basis for this information or is it your opinion?

Moreover, in regard to the IAM, if the company wins the A320 overhaul grievance and there is no IAM "Going Forward Plan" agreement, I suspect the Pittsburgh B737 and eventually the Charlotte B767/B757 Maintenance facilites will be closed and all of these heavy maintenance mechanic positions eliminated.

Then most of the mechanics will be like Sam. Can you tell me where I am wrong in this thinking?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[High Iron]

Crisis threads like clockwork. This one takes the prize.

Geez...Talk about laying it on thick. 🙄

 

[PITbull]

Where you are wrong.... is we all will be gone.

From your posts, you are in denial if you think you will have any job to go to.

You keep removing yourself from the labor equation. Do you really believe this mangement has any "respect" what so ever for the pilot group? LOL....

You are a caged, and when this management wants you to come out and perform...you do just that.

You and I are on opposites sides of the continum. Difference here, I haven't been "had"...you have.

You would sell your essential liberties for just a little safety...you deserve neither liberty or safety.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

USA320Pilot This is exactly why the maintenance group should NOT go to the table!! If the cards are already displayed on the table, would you lay down a bet?? i think you are smarter than that!! Respectfully, NFS GOOD DAY....MORE LATER

 

[mweiss]

PITBull, I find your comments incongruent with ALPA's views. With all due respect, what's your basis for this information or is it your opinion?

PITbull and I don't agree on many things, but we sure agree on this one. If you haven't noticed, the actions at the top indicate a piecemeal sale of the company. The odds of your job going along with any of the assets would appear to be in the single digits, since the assets actually have less value when they include you than when they don't.

And, no, this isn't an attack on USA320Pilot...those assets have less value when any people are attached. Like it or not, US Airways employees are viewed by potential acquirers as liabilities, not assets. And with many good reasons. Take a look at how well the employee "assets" at TWA turned out for AA.

 

[uza]

PITbull and I don't agree on many things, but we sure agree on this one. If you haven't noticed, the actions at the top indicate a piecemeal sale of the company. The odds of your job going along with any of the assets would appear to be in the single digits, since the assets actually have less value when they include you than when they don't.

And, no, this isn't an attack on USA320Pilot...those assets have less value when any people are attached. Like it or not, US Airways employees are viewed by potential acquirers as liabilities, not assets. And with many good reasons. Take a look at how well the employee "assets" at TWA turned out for AA.

This is true and why we are asking in earnest that the IAM and AFA sit down and be reasonable and rational. This is not a game we are playing; there will be real losers if this attitude displayed on this thread continues. We must work together or we all fall together.

No winners no heroes, just losers with this continued attitude. This stubborn mindset is unless, fruitless and self-serving and to what end? You have no choice if you really care about your membership.

 

[midnight cowboy]

Sam is a good guy, and a better mechanic. Some of the bus drivers here seem happy that things like this happen to the mechanics. You should pray that someone like like Sam is turning out your plane, and not some third world mechanic who needs a translator.
Let's see a company from Singapore, in Alabama, with mechanics from South America, think a little might lost in translation?

 

[Bear96]

(considering historical percentages the company will win the grievance)

I sure hope those deciding the actual grievance take a moment to consider the facts of the case, instead of the arbitrator just saying, "Well, managment usually wins; I'll just side with them."

Good thing your legal eagle mind is in the cockpit instead of the courtroom, Captain!

 

[uza]

The hardheaded attitude displayed by a few hardliners here is ego, the massaging of very big egos. This is a very dangerous game they are playing with real people’s lives and their families. Sam knows the realties and it is a shame that's what takes for some people to awaken to it.

 

[PITbull]

PITBull said: "This company is going to be sold. And your job will be outsourced. They don't need you, or the pilots or the rest of the employees once the airline is acquired. Your a fool to think you would be included."

USA320Pilot asks: PITBull, I find your comments incongruent with ALPA's views. With all due respect, what's your basis for this information or is it your opinion?

Why you our my source, dear Capt. For the past two years you have been bantering about a secret Corporate Transaction. Have you not? Have you changed you thinking? Do you believe as the CEO, that "consolidation is inevitable"?

What do you think that means?

 

[mwereplanes]

You, sir, are disgraceful. Your arrogance and fear are truly unbelievable. And to try to extend your fear to the others is just outlandish. I fail to understand how a supposedly intelligent man can believe in Siegel and what he has done and what he is trying to do. You will eventually get it. And when you finally do it will be way too late. Disgraceful.

mr

 

[PITbull]

uza,

Let me be more clear, if all unions sit with management there will be winners...but not all will win as you ellude to. You know and I know that not all will keep their jobs. Just take a hard look at TWA. What makes you think we would be treated any differently, even with our contracts.

The only winners you speak of and that you are one of is...Senior executives, sharholders, and stakeholders will win! Jobs will be gone, either way, Labor loses.

You hate to see this on these boards, because it goes against your "brain washing" tactics to secure a little safety now, at the expense of essential liberties. :down:

PS: you speak of "WE" in your post. What dept are you in "labor relations" or Senior managagement? They are the only "we" that asked AFA to sit down.