A Message From Ceo Bruce Lakefield

[usairways_vote_NO]

Usairways_vote_NO:

I started this topic by simply posting comments by Bruce Lakefield and then the typical bitching and moaning started again. My point is simple: labor gave up more than the company's ask and even Randy Canale understands that labor had no, nada, zero leverage, but you sir, fail to understand the reality of the marketplace.

Truth hurts, doesn't it...

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="241450"][/post]​

No but lies do. I thought you wanted to look to future not past thats what you told us didn't you?

 

[BillLumbergh]

Are people done yet with their little tiffs?

 

[Baja4U]

Are people done yet with their little tiffs?

[post="241453"][/post]​

We all feel better now bill, thanks!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Are people done yet with their little tiffs?

[post="241453"][/post]​

Wern't the rules modified for a more off hands approach on the USAirways forum due to reasons out of their control? Or is that like union contracts not worth whatever they written on?

 

[BillLumbergh]

If you don't have anything of value to say to a poster but to complain and antagonize, consider taking a walk.

If you don't want to follow that advice, I can send you on a walk.

Your choice.

 

[mwereplanes]

My point, that 320 once again chooses to ignore, is that the employees have given MORE than originally asked. For whatever reason. And that management is now the SOLE focus of whether or not U succeeds.

320 laments the unions even AFTER the final tally of givebacks. He places no responsibility on management's backs and continues to lament the RC4 and the IAM. BTW, the RC4 have not and will not be sued as he stated countless times here and on the ALPA site.

Management now has everything (even more according to 320) that they asked for. Now management will show you what they are made of. I already know what they are made of. They of the same mindset of 320 and constantly looking for excuses of why the airline can't fly. Now there are no excuses. The employees gave. Watch what happens.

I hope U succeeds. Now that they have the employees right where they want them they have no excuses for it not to succeed. Unless of course the crack management team doesn't know what to do with the billions of dollars of givebacks.

Crellin is major problem. Remember that.

mr

 

[calibrator]

Crellin is major problem. Remember that.

mr

[post="241467"][/post]​

Maybe 320 and Crellin are one and the same, or blood brothers. Blood they both want.

 

[justaumechanic]

No but lies do. I thought you wanted to look to future not past thats what you told us didn't you?

[post="241451"][/post]​

I don't think there is a labor group on the property that doesn't think they had much of a choice.. The company with the heavy hand of the judge had all the cards.. No suprise..

What they are trying to tell you and you fail to listen is nothing has changed.. They got what they wanted and now they will sit back and do nothing.. The same people that made all the bad mistakes 2 years ago are the same people that are still here.. So how can change occur?

You yourself have stated over and over that the company never fully implemented all of the changes from the last cut backs yet they come for more.. They don't know how to run the airline they just know how to whine.

Thats the point everyone is making.. Its up to the leadership of the company now to get it back on track.. The problem is the leadership is the same ones that got us into this mess in the first place..

Instead of whinning yourself why don't you read between the lines.

It will be 6 months and the company is going to come back and want more changes.. You can take it to the bank..

Keep in mind 3 things.. AirTran, JetBlue and Southwest all know who the weak player is.. You can bet they are going to drive it in as hard as they can. Failure is an option from their perspective..

Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran have close to 2 billion in ready cash.. They are not bogged down by the ATSB or the Creditors of their operation.. They can come into any market at anytime and dictate the price.. US Airways can do nothing.. They have to ask Mommy for a lollipop.

Its pretty hard to fight any battle with no money.. US Airways has NO money.. None.. Every penny of cash and every thing they have belongs to someone else. Everything.. So what do they fight with?

Its like watching an Iraqi insurgent strap themselves with a bomb and go after a US Armored M1 Tank!! I can tell you who loses..

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

I don't think there is a labor group on the property that doesn't think they had much of a choice

[post="241479"][/post]​

Quite obvious from the vote yes?

The company with the heavy hand of the judge had all the cards.. No suprise..

[post="241479"][/post]​

No surprize employees fell for it.

What they are trying to tell you and you fail to listen is nothing has changed.. They got what they wanted and now they will sit back and do nothing.. The same people that made all the bad mistakes 2 years ago are the same people that are still here.. So how can change occur?

[post="241479"][/post]​

You are telling me that nothing has changed and I failed to listen? You are kidding right? That was a huge joke right?

You yourself have stated over and over that the company never fully implemented all of the changes from the last cut backs yet they come for more.. They don't know how to run the airline they just know how to whine.

[post="241479"][/post]​

Now you say this. Well what is it I am being told nothing has changed and I am not listening or have I preached over and over the company has never implemented the changes? It can't be both

Thats the point everyone is making.. Its up to the leadership of the company now to get it back on track.. The problem is the leadership is the same ones that got us into this mess in the first place..

Instead of whinning yourself why don't you read between the lines.

It will be 6 months and the company is going to come back and want more changes.. You can take it to the bank..

[post="241479"][/post]​

Well duh what have I been preaching? With the exception of saying 6 months and stating obvious if the fail they won't be coming back for more.

Its pretty hard to fight any battle with no money.. US Airways has NO money..

[post="241479"][/post]​

The did it in court against employees and scared then to slit their own throats

 

[justaumechanic]

Quite obvious from the vote yes?
No surprize employees fell for it.
You are telling me that nothing has changed and I failed to listen? You are kidding right? That was a huge joke right?
Now you say this. Well what is it I am being told nothing has changed and I am not listening or have I preached over and over the company has never implemented the changes? It can't be both
Well duh what have I been preaching? With the exception of saying 6 months and stating obvious if the fail they won't be coming back for more.
The did it in court against employees and scared then to slit their own throats

[post="241482"][/post]​

What are you bashing anyone for..

You fought to go first in the YES line..

Your vote no id is just a way to hide behind that fact that you yourself
would do anything the company told you to do so you can hold onto your
job..

Can't you admit the fact that nothing has changed other than you gave up
everything you ever had? Of course not.. You love Lakefield and you mow
the judges lawn.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

[post="241490"][/post]​

So who are you really on here? Sounds like deano bait material

 

[justaumechanic]

So who are you really on here? Sounds like deano bait material

[post="241491"][/post]​

I'm one of the smart ones.. I work for a company that has its sights set on
making sure you find the unemployment line.

 

[CaptianBoomer]

USA320-

I have called you on the carpet many a time for this, and you have never given a direct answer.

You weep about the RC4 and blame them for the plight of the U pilots. My problem with you is the fact that you keep typing these laundry lists of what could have been if only the U pilots had "gone ugly-early on in the process."

There is NO way U management would have left the 279 min fleet in the new contract for pilots. In fact, everything I saw had the disclaimer that the company could not guarantee the min fleet if they had to file for a 2nd BK. Everyone with a brain knew they were going to have to file again, so it was a moot point.

U management, even if they left the 279 number there, would later remove it per GECAS to keep the financial house of cards up. Let us not forget the LOA that provides the U pilots with a commuter policy and CASS access. How many times are you "yes" guys going to go back to lick your own vomit? My dog did that once and has of course learned his lesson. You guys keep going back and back and back.

Stop looking back and look forward.

Boomer

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

I'm one of the smart ones.. I work for a company that has its sights set on
making sure you find the unemployment line.

[post="241494"][/post]​

Good for you but that won't happen for me no unemployment line in my future. Hey but enjoy all usairways yes votes as they trickle down to your company. You know the old need to compete line you will hear it some enough. But do as the others stick your head in sand.

 

[CaptianBoomer]

A320:

I forgot another point......The ask kept going up....it didn't go up because the company was being punitive. They are not allowed to do that in BK. The ask went up because of the deterioration of the US airline revenue picture and skyrocketing fuel. If the employees of U ponied up the ask last summer, U management would just be back for more. Fact!

Boomer