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[767one]

Ok you airline detectives (Airline Private Dicks) 🙄 why did the CDG-JFK 757 drop into Bangor Me.
last night ??

/////////For sure a fuel stop. Going eastbound last night we were hauling asstronomicaly along at 600 kts groundspeed most of the way to DUB from PHL. Got in almost an hour early. Going back on the 5th and hoping for the same winds.......hard time trip. Got out butts kicked going into DUB. Winds were about 50 kts.

 

[767one]

I was told by the station staff at CDG that "CO" had put larger fuel tanks on their 757's and do not have to stop like we do. No idea about the "UA" 757's.... I do however have friends that work for both. They all hate it and their pax do not enjoy it either....

As a pilot I love the 757 and the 767. As a passenger if the flight is over 4 hr. I want to be on the 767.

 

[737823]

No more AA BOSLHR 757 for me. Last May I took my final AA flight on this route (now take BA or DL) and the other passengers were joking that they mistakingly boarded the plane to London, Ontario instead of London-Heathrow, UK. Pretty ridiculous but couldn't be happier with BA.

Josh

 

[737823]

WRONG!! I have had managers at several stations tell me the 757 was a mistake and we have lost a lot of business customers to other airlines because they do not like to fly the 757 transatlantic.. Most of our premium customers out of BOS now FLY BA to LHR because of the 757. There really is not another way to spin it!

So true. Many othey counterparts at Barcalys now take BA

Now that the 767 is back on LA and with new 777 deliveries maybe BOS will get some love..

Josh

 

[jimntx]

As BoeingBoy said, people back in the day seemed to have no problem flying the 707 and DC8.

Only, 'cause we didn't know no better. Fly on your first DC-10 or 747, and your eyes open to the possibility of comfort in overseas travel. (Unless, of course, you are on the United 747 that I flew from Bangkok to SFO in 1995. Oh my god. I've never been more uncomfortable even on an rj.) I don't know the configuration of our (AA) 757s for International service, but coach is uncomfortable on the domestic ones by at least 2 too many rows.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't know the configuration of our (AA) 757s for International service, but coach is uncomfortable on the domestic ones by at least 2 too many rows.

Widebodies undoubtedly give the impression of more room, but coach is coach on U.S. carriers - internationl or domestic doesn't matter. A bigger tube just has more seats crammed in. Look at SeatGuru and the 757 and 777 used for international service by a carrier have the same seat pitch/width on both.

Jim

 

[737823]

Widebodies undoubtedly give the impression of more room, but coach is coach on U.S. carriers - internationl or domestic doesn't matter. A bigger tube just has more seats crammed in. Look at SeatGuru and the 757 and 777 used for international service by a carrier have the same seat pitch/width on both.

Jim

Yes, but there are wider aisles and a more passenger friendly configuration (AA's 757s are 3-3 while 763s are 2-3-2, and 777s are 2-5-2 in Y) and offer more amenities to passengers. AA's 757 transatlantic is abysmal-very difficult for passengers to get up during meal service, no duty free, limited lavatory access, and inadequate overhead bins for international flights.

Josh

 

[fltguymk]

Widebodies undoubtedly give the impression of more room, but coach is coach on U.S. carriers - internationl or domestic doesn't matter. A bigger tube just has more seats crammed in. Look at SeatGuru and the 757 and 777 used for international service by a carrier have the same seat pitch/width on both.

Jim

Believe it or not, the size of the tube makes a huge difference even though the seat pitch, etc may be the same. I commute from France dude. Been on AA, BA and AF a lot the last 7 years. Go sit a few trips in coach and see which you prefer. I am guessing it will the the wide body!

 

[BoeingBoy]

I have and business class is better. A twin-aisle in coach with carts in each aisle is really no different than a single-aisle with a cart in the aisle if you gotta get by the cart to get to the lav or take a stroll. 31-32" pitch is still 31-32" pitch. OHB's can be extended, AVOD can be installed - that's a carrier decision, not an airplane limitation. You might as well face it, until there's a replacement or they get so old maintenance costs too much, the 757's will be doing the lower demand trans-atlantic flights. Not only for AA but for the other carriers. Some markets just don't have the demand to support 250-seat and up planes.

Jim

 

[WorldTraveler]

The real disadvantage to the 757 is its lack of cargo capabilities which can make a signfiicant difference in profitability and more than offset the extra fuel burned. Pilot costs between a 757 and 767 are nearly the same and one more FAs are more than paid for by the extra 20-30 passengers. The 763 is clearly a viable int'l widebody at AA, DL, and UA since none of them have plans to get rid of them in the next few years. Combined they operate a couple hundred of them with an average size of around 200 seats - UA has some in 3 class configured w/ only a few more seats than some carriers have on 757s to AA's int'l 763s w/ 220 or so seats.
Seat size is indeed comparable but the larger cabin definitely leads to a perception of more space.
The 757 will provide a lot of supplemental long haul capacity but UA is supposedly converting some of its domestic 767s to int'l configuration, apparently w/ the intent of reducing the number of 757 flights that have been operated by CO out of EWR... AA and DL both are not operating near as many 757 int'l flights now as they once did so perhaps the 757 international party will be winding down. An int'l config 757 does work well on domestic routes w/ only a marginal increase in CASM compared to a domestic config 757.

 

[diamondcutter]

Have you worked a full "coach" transatlantic flight on a 757 or been a pax on one across the Atlantic? If not, may you reserve your observations till then. AA has lost a lot of premium customers because of this aircraft being flown to Europe. I saw it out of BOS and now I am seeing it out of JFK.. Whether it stops for fuel or not, it's not a comfortable experience for anyone...

I see your poin but just wondering .... A transcon is blocked for a little less (depending on time of yr) for IE LHR DUB ect. Not a big difference except for inflight service

 

[nbmcg01]

I see your poin but just wondering .... A transcon is blocked for a little less (depending on time of yr) for IE LHR DUB ect. Not a big difference except for inflight service

Planes have been making stops in BNG since the beginning of time INCLUDING 747s...no big deal....it is what it is. East coast had weather, why take a chance?

 

[fltguymk]

Planes have been making stops in BNG since the beginning of time INCLUDING 747s...no big deal....it is what it is. East coast had weather, why take a chance?

Uh, we are discussing fuel stops in Canada because the plane (our AA 757's) can't make it with a full load and strong head winds....

 

[fltguymk]

I see your poin but just wondering .... A transcon is blocked for a little less (depending on time of yr) for IE LHR DUB ect. Not a big difference except for inflight service

And a lot of it has to do with the increase in service. On Domestic, we sell food and pass thru the cabin quite quickly. Over the Atlantic, we are often in the single aisle for 2 hours with carts for the first service. Another hour or so for the second service.. Trapping pax in their seat or blocking them on one end or the other. NO cross aisle to get back to their seat, etc... Perhaps until you guys work a 757 transatlantic flight as a flight attendant, you won't understand....The 757 is a real dog for everyone behind the cockpit..

 

[Mr Red]

And a lot of it has to do with the increase in service. On Domestic, we sell food and pass thru the cabin quite quickly. Over the Atlantic, we are often in the single aisle for 2 hours with carts for the first service. Another hour or so for the second service.. Trapping pax in their seat or blocking them on one end or the other. NO cross aisle to get back to their seat, etc... Perhaps until you guys work a 757 transatlantic flight as a flight attendant, you won't understand....The 757 is a real dog for everyone behind the cockpit..

The Thrombosis machine!!