Aa Insourcing Dl Heavy Maint?

[MCI transplant]

<_< Unfortionately your right! I wise there was a way to break this cycle!!! :down:

[post="275794"][/post]​

<_< Buck----- With a lead in like this, I thought you'd jump at it like a big fish! 😛

 

[MCI transplant]

There is a way to break the cycle of labors wage and benefit deterioration.

Labor must unite as one and fight. The whole idea of the AFL-CIO uniting the divisions and locals is a grand cause that they have failed at. This is why the mechanics in the industry must unite and defend their profession. The enemy of the mechanics uniting is the AFL-CIO itself. The AFL-CIO has become a corporate entity in itself. There politics do not follow that of the majority of its members or the labor vote would become a controlling factor in todays political process. The socialistic mantra does not represent the members any longer. The AFL-CIO has created a massive division within itself and if it does not correct this division, labor will continue to deteriorate. The anti-AFL-CIO position of "be glad you have a job, brother" is getting old.

Article II: Objects and Principles

2. To aid and assist affiliated unions in extending the benefits of mutual assistance and collective bargaining to workers and to promote the organization of the unorganized into unions of their own choosing for their mutual aid, protection and advancement, giving recognition to the principle that both craft and industrial unions are appropriate, equal and necessary as methods of union organization.

This objective from the AFL-CIO Constitution proves that labor is not compliant with its goals. The lowering of wages and benefits to sustain dues flow does not beget true unionism.  It is in fact anti-union, it is socialistic in nature and agrees with the companys plan of the most labor at the least cost.

When the AFL-CIO unite its members as one and takes the steps necessary to send the proper message, then and only then will there be a change to this cycle.

[post="275927"][/post]​

<_< Buck----Unfortionatly, if your waiting for the AFL/CIO to "React" to the needs of the American Worker, you've got a long wait in store! :down:

 

[Buck]

<_< Buck----Unfortionatly, if your waiting for the AFL/CIO to "React" to the needs of the American Worker, you've got a long wait in store! :down:

[post="275987"][/post]​

Believe me, I am not waiting on the AFL-CIO. I do not pay them. Do you?

Why do the members continue down this path?

 

[DalMD88]

Ok so it's not at MCI. Can anyone at TUL or AFW confirm the presense of DL metal in those hangars?

 

[Hopeful]

Believe me, I am not waiting on the AFL-CIO. I do not pay them. Do you?

Why do the members continue down this path?

[post="275998"][/post]​

Ever hear of union dues?

 

[MCI transplant]

Ok so it's not at MCI.  Can anyone at TUL or AFW confirm the presense of DL metal in those hangars?

[post="276014"][/post]​

<_< Are you confussing this Delta aircraft with the AC 767 we just completed? And just out of curiosity, what's your take on this "if" it should happen? Rember, Delta is a non-Union company, at least for the time being! Would you rather have the Canadians do it, or an American Company??? I know, you would rather have Delta do it, but it appears that is not going to happen!!! :huh:

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< Unfortionately your right! I wise there was a way to break this cycle!!! :down:

[post="275794"][/post]​

There is. Get us all into one union where the leaders can be held accountable.

Get rid of the TWU.

 

[Bob Owens]

There is a way to break the cycle of labors wage and benefit deterioration.

Labor must unite as one and fight. The whole idea of the AFL-CIO uniting the divisions and locals is a grand cause that they have failed at. This is why the mechanics in the industry must unite and defend their profession. The enemy of the mechanics uniting is the AFL-CIO itself. The AFL-CIO has become a corporate entity in itself. There politics do not follow that of the majority of its members or the labor vote would become a controlling factor in todays political process. The socialistic mantra does not represent the members any longer. The AFL-CIO has created a massive division within itself and if it does not correct this division, labor will continue to deteriorate. The anti-AFL-CIO position of "be glad you have a job, brother" is getting old.

Article II: Objects and Principles

2. To aid and assist affiliated unions in extending the benefits of mutual assistance and collective bargaining to workers and to promote the organization of the unorganized into unions of their own choosing for their mutual aid, protection and advancement, giving recognition to the principle that both craft and industrial unions are appropriate, equal and necessary as methods of union organization.

This objective from the AFL-CIO Constitution proves that labor is not compliant with its goals. The lowering of wages and benefits to sustain dues flow does not beget true unionism.  It is in fact anti-union, it is socialistic in nature and agrees with the companys plan of the most labor at the least cost.

When the AFL-CIO unite its members as one and takes the steps necessary to send the proper message, then and only then will there be a change to this cycle.

[post="275927"][/post]​

Buck:

I spoke directly to someone in the AFL-CIO and even he admitted that if Airline workers wanted to become united that they would have to leave their affiliated unions, unite, then go back into the AFL-CIO as a new union. Otherwise it will never happen. There is no hope if we stay in our current organization.

Interestingly enough, the AFL-CIO decided to lay off a huge part of its staff instead of cutting wages for everyone.

The fact is the TWU uses the AFL-CIO as another target to pin the blame on. Its another one of Littles lies. He claims that the AFL-CIO is the one that fails to lead when he knows that the AFL-CIO only does what its member unions tell it to do. Thats why there is so much commotion now. Some unions are calling for a more active organization that will put the needs of the American worker ahead of the needs of the leaders of the many unions that belong to the organization. Some are calling for consolidation of the labor movement and to eliminate the structure where many unions have overlapping memberships in many different industries. Business unions masgurading as Industrial unions. Ironically, undemocratic business unions like the TWU, which would likely be eliminated by such a consolidation, cite that a larger labor movement would be "less democratic and responsive". In fact, since duplication would be eliminated, from the members perspective, the opposite would be true.

 

[DalMD88]

<_< Are you confussing this Delta aircraft with the AC 767 we just completed? And just out of curiosity, what's your take on this "if" it should happen? Rember, Delta is a non-Union company, at least for the time being! Would you rather have the Canadians do it, or an American Company??? I know, you would rather have Delta do it, but it appears that is not going to happen!!! :huh:

[post="276027"][/post]​

Our main take on this would be how stupid it would make our leadership look. We of course think no airline the size of DL should outsource vast amounts of mtc to anybody, we should be insourcing. These contracts with ACTS and Avborne were said to be a 30% cost savings and they will meet the ready times or there will be stiff penalties. Rumors are both are already begging for weeks to be added to the visit lengths. Many also doubt there was any real cost savings. We think they were told to get rid of maintenance because it must be cheaper. Wall Street would be happier if we do what everyone else is doing.
Rumors are also flying that some upper managenment at TechOps could be losing their jobs over this. If there is any justice Tony Taliban will be in the unemployment line next to the hundreds of good mechanics he furloughed.

 

[Buck]

Ever hear of union dues?

[post="276015"][/post]​

That is exactly what I am talking about. I do not pay dues until the TWU enforces their contractual requirements? If we continue to support an entity that does not perform for us, then it is us that is to blame.

 

[Buck]

Buck:

I spoke directly to someone in the AFL-CIO and even he admitted that if Airline workers wanted to become united that they would have to leave their affiliated unions, unite, then go back into the AFL-CIO as a new union. Otherwise it will never happen. There is no hope if we stay in our current organization.

Interestingly enough, the AFL-CIO decided to lay off a huge part of its staff instead of cutting wages for everyone.

The fact is the TWU uses the AFL-CIO as another target to pin the blame on. Its another one of Littles lies. He claims that the AFL-CIO is the one that fails to lead when he knows that the AFL-CIO only does what its member unions tell it to do. Thats why there is so much commotion now. Some unions are calling for a more active organization that will put the needs of the American worker ahead of the needs of the leaders of the many unions that belong to the organization. Some are calling for consolidation of the labor movement and to eliminate the structure where many unions have overlapping memberships in many different industries. Business unions masgurading as Industrial unions. Ironically, undemocratic business unions like the TWU, which would likely be eliminated by such a consolidation, cite that a larger labor movement would be "less democratic and responsive". In fact, since duplication would be eliminated, from the members perspective, the opposite would be true.

[post="276091"][/post]​

Thanks for the informative response Bob. The AFL-CIO is not representing our concerns and affiliates are taking the necessary steps to disassociate themselves from the organization.

 

[Bob Owens]

Thanks for the informative response Bob. The AFL-CIO is not representing our concerns and affiliates are taking the necessary steps to disassociate themselves from the organization.

[post="276133"][/post]​

The AFL-CIO is not really structured to represent our concerns. We do not elect any of its members nor do we have any say in the organization whatsoever.

Have you ever recieved any sort of ballott from the AFL-CIO?

Dont get me wrong, I think its purpose is sound. A means through which unions can cooperate for the betterment of the labor movement as a whole. Unfortunately, thats not how it works.

The AFL-CIO is a tool of the leaders of the unions. The challenge is to get leaders who represent our needs. While some unions do in fact have that the TWU never will.

The TWU is a business union. Their only priority is to maintain the dues flow that provides their six figure salaries and generous benifits such as the 2.5 multiplier on the pension that gets a COLA of 5% per year.

Business unions like the TWU will use its affiliation for the betterment of International officers, then turn around , as Jim Little often does, and make it seem like the TWU has to wait for the AFL-CIO to act before they do anything. The fact is that the AFL-CIO has no governing power over the TWU.

Because we belong to a union that has no concern for our well being, or the well being of the working class, other than making sure we continue to provide dues, we get absolutely no benifit from AFL-CIO affiliation.

 

[MCI transplant]

Our main take on this would be how stupid it would make our leadership look.  We of course think no airline the size of DL should outsource vast amounts of mtc to anybody, we should be insourcing.  These contracts with ACTS and Avborne were said to be a 30% cost savings and they will meet the ready times or there will be stiff penalties.  Rumors are both are already begging for weeks to be added to the visit lengths.  Many also doubt there was any real cost savings.  We think they were told to get rid of maintenance because it must be cheaper.  Wall Street would be happier if we do what everyone else is doing.
Rumors are also flying that some upper managenment at TechOps could be losing their jobs over this.  If there is any justice Tony Taliban will be in the unemployment line next to the hundreds of good mechanics he furloughed.

[post="276102"][/post]​

<_< I can't argue with anything you've said! We've done one Aircraft, heavy "C" check , for Air Canada, and got it back to them 3 days early! The plane (767) flew directly into service from here, and is being used on their Vancuver (SPL) B.C. to Peking China route! AC was tickeled pink with our performance, and last I heard the plane had flown at least six legs with no "Snags"!!!!As for futher work from them, rumor has it that they may send 26 more Aircraft our way, but not until about Sept. And we just took it for granted they'ed be more Air Canada Aircraft!!!"IF" we get them at all!!!!It seems you don't have a minopoly on screwed up management! In the mean time they're laying off at least half the AMTs that worked that Aircraft!!!! :down:

 

[Bob Owens]

In the mean time they're laying off at least half the AMTs that worked that Aircraft!!!! :down:

[post="276195"][/post]​

Well you know what they say, No god deed will go unpunished".

Just ask the guys from STL what they got for delivering the best performance in the system.

Most of them are now in New York!

And guess what? Performance here has not improved!!!

Maybe they are hoping that by sending guys from MCI in, who will simply be displacing guys from STL that things will get better.

 

[MCI transplant]

Well you know what they say, No god deed will go unpunished".

Just ask the guys from STL what they got for delivering the best performance in the system.

Most of them are now in New York!

And guess what? Performance here has not improved!!!

Maybe they are hoping that by sending guys from MCI in, who will simply be displacing guys from STL that things will get better.

[post="276344"][/post]​

<_< Bob, You may get a few, but not enough to make much of a differance!