AA JFK Termianl

[Hopeful]

The old terminals had about 31 gates, with one of them used for Eagle (downstairs). Here's a map of the former Terminals 8 and 9 (there were two gates at some of the T-9 gates, IIRC):

http://www.geocities.com/citrus_air/jfk_termloc99.gif

The new design was to have 55 total gates, 38 of them for mainline jets and 17 covered jetbridge gates for RJs.

Here's a description of the original design:

http://www.dmjmharris.com/MarketsAndServices/39/99/index.jsp

Now it's only gonna have 36 gates, 27 of them for mainline jets, and 9 for RJs. Square footage sliced from 2.2 million feet to only 1.5 million feet. Instead of 200 checkin positions, only 67 or so. Instead of eight clubs (probably for all the OneWorld members), probably only 3 or 4. Total cost is down from $1.3 to $1.4 billion (varies depending on the source) to only $1.1 billion. Here's a description of the revised JFK Terminal 8 project:

http://www.queenschamber.org/queenschamber...an_airlines.pdf

The new terminal will indeed have fewer mainline jet gates than the original. Maybe it will be laid out more efficiently - or maybe AA will unload airplanes and then quickly move them to a hardstand to accomodate another arrival.

I liked the old terminal 9 (and some of the features of 8). But nothing stays the same for long. I liked 707s and AA's 747s, and AA doesn't fly them anymore.

Given that AA's JFK terminal rent is only increasing by a modest amount, the new terminal is not what's keeping AA from restoring $1.6 billion in annual pay concessions to the represented workers. Those were (and still are) painful, but they have nothing to do with AA's 1999 decision to replace the JFK terminals.

I wonder....Did MIAMI's new terminal get scaled back as well? DFW's new part?

 

[Barfbag]

Given that AA's JFK terminal rent is only increasing by a modest amount, the new terminal is not what's keeping AA from restoring $1.6 billion in annual pay concessions to the represented workers. Those were (and still are) painful, but they have nothing to do with AA's 1999 decision to replace the JFK terminals.

Considering the years of delays ( passengers and baggage )associated with the ongoing construction , the bad PR, increased fuel costs, labor etc., AA would have been off persuading the PANYNJ to build the new terminal 8 on the current T-5 and T-6 site.

The new terminal could have housed the old TWA T-5 structure, ( much the way a garage covers a car), using the TWA center as a giant TSA passenger screening center.

This move would have also stalled Jetblue's ( T-5 & T-6 ) current JFK expansion by at least a decade.

Alas, the decision was made in 1999. Keep dreaming.

 

[eolesen]

Building on top of T5 and T6 would have been a great option, except that TW was still a tenant of both terminals, and wouldn't collapse until two years after the decision was made to build the new terminal.

Right now, there's little difference between Delta's ThirdWorld Port and AA's legacy terminal. Once the legacy AA concourses are closed down, there's more of a reason for customers to chose AA over DL.