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AA mx guys, plese explain this picture

In Boston it is not just cut a hole and add another door. Plumbing for the heating system and tracks for the main hangar doors would have to be relocated and or reworked. But the biggest problem is the hangar is owned by Massport and they don't want to cut the door on the hangar since there was plans to tear down that hangar in the future and make a parking lot in the area. But things have changed since I was in Boston last. Rumor has it that American is going to get Delta Airlines old hangar. But this is rumor and was before Chapter 11.
thanks for the add'l info... as you know, modifying an old building is often more complicated than what might appear at first - not the least of which are some of the ownership issues you note. buildings can be modified under long term leases but the question still remains how necessary it really is to do... particularly as the 757 fleet is drawn down in the coming years.
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I too doubt if AA will expand its maintenance facilities at this point.
 
When The Spirit of Delta (the 767-200 bought for the company by the employees) was moved into one of DL's original hangars at ATL to become part of the Delta Museum,
the hangar was modified.

"Hangar Two is home to The Spirit of Delta, B-767. Because the tail of Ship 102 was four feet higher than the support beams in the “tail door” of the hangar, a team of structural engineers modified the structure in 2006 to allow Spirit to fit. The hangar also received a much-needed cosmetic change – a fresh coat of interior paint to bring the hangar back to its original “maintenance grey”. "

http://deltamuseum.org/M_Museum_Facilities.htm

How often do 757s need to be pulled into AA's hangars at LGA and other facilities where the tail does not fit? If it is not on a scheduled basis, then perhaps the cost isn't justified if AA can do scheduled work elsewhere. Presumably the equipment to lift the nose was purchased to accommodate the need - so unless that procedure doesn't work (sounds like it does), there is no need to modify the hangar.

They used to do 757 BCs there but not anymore. I think it has to do with all the lead paint and other nasty HAZMAT stuff in the hangar that would have to be abated before work is done. I believe before BK there was some kind of deal with the Port to relocate the hangar to add more gates. With BK and the crappy economy that has not materialized.
 
When The Spirit of Delta (the 767-200 bought for the company by the employees)
You mean the time the employees took a pay cut, and Delta used that to say the employees purchased a 767 for the company?

I guess AA could have said the TWU bought the company three 777's back in 2003 instead of calling it concessions.

It was a brilliant marketing method to dupe the public. It was not voluntary. Employees were "highly encouraged" to participate in the program. All 35,000 employees volunteered to give $850 each. :lol:
 
I suppose there will be those that see demons behind every doorknob but the Spirit of Delta effort was an employee-driven effort and there was no one who was punished for not contributing - and those people did exist. It wasn't a forced exercise.
Further, those employees who launched the project did it out of a desire to acknowledge that DL did not lay off any full-time employees as a result of the reduced flying that occurred due to the PATCO strike and subsequent rebuilding of the ATC system.
AA did in fact acknowledge that several 757s were bought with funds that came from their employees' operational improvements - although I doubt if those improvements were optional at all.
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But if DL's employee relations can be traced to just good marketing, I am sure there are a number of companies that would love to take the course - and so would alot of employees. If a company can achieve great results and its employees still think they are happy, why would anyone want to tell either of them otherwise.
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But none of this really has anything to do with cutting holes in the doors of hangars.... something DL did and apparently AA hasn't seen a reason to do since it has its process to tilt the nose. Both solutions seem to work fine.
 
But none of this really has anything to do with cutting holes in the doors of hangars.... something DL did and apparently AA hasn't seen a reason to do since it has its process to tilt the nose. Both solutions seem to work fine.
it really does not take that much extra effort to do it. I have been involved in the exercise myself with a 737. An extra 30 minutes in and out of the hangar.
 
UAL used to do the same thing with our 737s at the base in SFO.

The NLG lift unit was smaller than the one in the picture but same idea.
 
Kinda like now. This company loves positive spin, and they're brilliant at manufacturing it.
Perhaps it would be appropriatel to acknowledge that DL creates and maintains an image which it has cultivated throughout its lifetime and one which the majority of its employees embrace.
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Hardly any American brustles at the notion that a company can create an external culture about its product. Does anyone realistically believe that drinking a Coke will make you happy? Yet that is what they advertise and they are the most recognized brand on the planet.
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Somehow the notion that a company would create an internal culture is anathema yet the evidence is overwhelming that the strongest companies in the world - and you can look at specific companies within any industry - are those that create strong cultures that extend to employees. We need only look at the airline industry and see how successful culture is as part of the success of B6, CO, VX, and WN.
CO took a group of employees who had been demoralized by two rounds of BK and turned CO into one of the greatest turnaround stories in American business... and the results were apparent in CO's bottom line until the day they were acquired by UA.
DL is doing nothing different with respect to culture than what CO did post-BK - and in many respects CO just reinvented the historic DL culture that a couple generations of DL execs decided wasn't very necessary... with a corresponding decline in DL's performance.
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The Spirit of Delta was a voluntary effort by a group of employees who were fiercely loyal to the company and managed to convince most of their peers to give up some of their paychecks in order to see an airplane in special livery (DL has very few anyway) operate for 20 years testifying to the difference in DL's culture.
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Those who resist the idea of conformity behind DL's culture might consider that one of the most successful marketing companies in the world is Disney who has incredibly strict guidelines for its marketing and that control includes how employees act at any time when they are associated with the Disney name.
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Disney employees give up a lot of their personal identity for the sake of representing the Disney Company... yet they have no shortage of people who want to be a part of their organization.
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As consolidation in the airline industry continues, it will become increasingly clear that airlines that do not have a strong brand and culture are the ones that fall by the wayside while a greater and greater percentage of employees in the industry belong to companies that have figured out how to win in the marketplace and to have their employees play key roles in the process.
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As AA continues to work through its restructuring, it is increasingly apparent that turning the company around depends on engaging a workforce that like CO's was battered by two rounds of restructuring - up against competitors that had far more strength and resources.
AA's ability to turn the company around is dependent on being able to create a culture of service and winning that is on par with what other notable marketers throughout American industry have created.
 
From my reading, it was a paycut and everyone had $850 taken out of their pay to pay for it.

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Given that your "research" included a trip to an aviation chat website that yielded a discussion in which one person tried to argue that the contributions weren't voluntary, countered by several DL employees who said they were, your "research" wouldn't pass any standards of academic integrity.
Reader's Digest as well as a number of local newspapers published articles about the Spirit of Delta shortly after it was introduced in service. You'll have to look actually go to a library and look at hard copies because few full text articles of that age are available online.

Here are a couple press releases and articles regarding the retirement of the Spirit of Delta...

Delta-Air: Delta and Boeing bid farewell to 'Spirit of Delta'; Employee-purchased aircraft returns to birthplace before retiring to Delta Heritage Museum
Publisher: Normans Media Ltd
Edition/Format: Article
Publication: M2 Presswire, (Mar 1, 2006), p. 1
Summary: M2 PRESSWIRE-March 1, 2006-Delta-Air: Delta and Boeing bid farewell to 'Spirit of Delta'; Employee-purchased aircraft returns to birthplace before retiring to Delta Heritage Museum (C)1994-2006 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD "The Spirit of Delta is more than just an aircraft. More than 20 years ago, Delta people defined our company's culture - one that would include teamwork and dedication to seeing the company through difficult times in pursuit of making our airline the best in the world," said Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein. "Though our industry has changed considerably since 1982, these same characteristics remain as Delta people work to build a strong, profitable, competitive company based on a vision of shared future success. While The Spirit of Delta will not fly again after this tour, I believe the spirit of Delta people can and will." Delta offers daily flights to 503 destinations in 94 countries on Delta, Song, Delta Shuttle, the Delta Connection carriers and its worldwide partners. In summer 2006, Delta plans to offer customers more destinations and departures between the U.S., Europe, India and Israel than any global airline*, including service on 11 new transatlantic routes from its Atlanta and New York-JFK hubs. Delta also is a major carrier to Mexico, South and Central America and the Caribbean, with more than 35 routes announced, added or applied to serve since Jan. 1, 2005. Delta's marketing alliances also allow customers to earn and redeem SkyMiles on more than 14,000 flights offered by SkyTeam and other partners. Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that provides customers with extensive worldwide destinations, flights and services. Customers can check in for flights, print boarding passes and check flight status at delta.com. Read less

'Spirit of Delta' retires Airplane that workers chipped in to buy in 1982 gets a send-off
Author: Russell Grantham
Publisher: Atlanta Journal-Constitution (a division of Cox Enterprises, Inc.)
Edition/Format: Article
Publication: The Atlanta Journal - Constitution, (Mar 4, 2006), p. D.1
Summary: The "Spirit" wore several paint jobs over the years, including a special 1996 Olympics color scheme and a retro silver-gray livery commemorating Delta's 75th anniversary in 2004. On Friday it bore the original '60s "widget" logo featuring a black nose and slanted Delta symbol on the tail. "I'm glad it's going to stay with the company, rather than going out to the arid desert," said one, Ginny Oxford. Oxford, now 59 and retired after 33 years at Delta, said the idea arose after Delta was criticized for giving employees a raise while posting what at the time was its first annual loss in 36 years. CAPTION: [JOHN AMIS] / Special [Diane Carvelli] (standing, left) signs an autograph for Kris Bhatia (seated, left) and Varada Divgi Bhatia (seated, right) as Ginny Oxford looks on. Carvelli and Oxford were among those heading an employee drive to buy the plane in 1982.


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I'm still not sure what your point is... but the Spirit of Delta WAS a voluntary effort and it reflected the culture that existed at Delta at that time.
And DL's culture remains something that is unique among network carriers but which a number of low fare carriers have attempted to replicate in their own ways in their own companies.

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This little side show doesn't change the fact that DL (at its own expense) cut a hole in the side of one of its original hangars in ATL in order to accommodate an aircraft that was way larger than anything that existed at the time those hangars were built.
AA and UA on the other hand accommodated similar generation aircraft in equally old hangars by means of tipping the tail.
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Perhaps it would be appropriate to acknowledge that DL creates and maintains an image which it has cultivated throughout its lifetime and one which the majority of its employees embrace.

Perhaps it's also appropriate to acknowledge that even you have had your doubts. Your words from the thread 700 linked to:

"Those of you who don't believe Delta employees would buy the company a plane don't understand the Delta culture of the 70's and before. It was really legendary in American business circles but was permanently altered after the first Gulf War and probably will never return."

That last part seems to be holding true today...
 
AA mx guys, please explain this picture

Whats this thread about again?
 
Perhaps it's also appropriate to acknowledge that even you have had your doubts. Your words from the thread 700 linked to:

"Those of you who don't believe Delta employees would buy the company a plane don't understand the Delta culture of the 70's and before. It was really legendary in American business circles but was permanently altered after the first Gulf War and probably will never return."

That last part seems to be holding true today...
the thread is about airplane tails... but someone decided they wanted to turn a discussion about an airplane tail named the Spirit of Delta into a discussion about what that plane represented... the tail is the same as every other 767-200.
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My words are as accurate today as when they were written 10 years ago. The industry has changed, DL has adapted and figured out how to evolve its business model in the process. The difference between DL and most of the rest of the network carriers is that DL has inflicted much less pain on employees in the process of transformation, a process that repeatedly comes to the industry. Companies either must be prepared to face change on an ongoing basis or face the gut-wrenching experience that AA is in right now. Yet DL, WN, and many of the low cost carriers have figured out how to evolve the business on an ongoing basis - but that does mean the status quo must move. DL can't offer the pay and benefits it once did - but neither does WN if you look at what they are telling their people.

(Reuters) - Southwest Airlines Co (NYS:LUV - News) does not expect to report a profit for the current first quarter because of high fuel prices, the company's finance chief said on Tuesday.


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The carrier, which acquired AirTran last year, said it expects fuel costs of about $3.50 a gallon for the first period, about 15 cents higher than its prior forecast.

"If you look at the last few fare increases, they've become less effective," Chief Financial Officer Laura Wright told a JPMorgan Aviation, Transportation and Defense conference that was broadcast over the Internet.

"No surprise; any business that raises fares that many times in a short period of time would expect to see that," Wright added. She cited 10 rounds of fare rises in the last year.

The company said passenger revenue per available seat mile, an important measure, rose 4 percent in February, weaker than expected and compared with a 7 percent rise for January. Wright said close-end bookings toward the end of February were weaker.
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This little side discussion on culture is a reminder to AA folks that whatever business model AA creates must have the flexibility to adapt or AA will be right back where it is again. Not changing is not an option. Figuring out how to do it in the least painful and ongoing basis must be the goal
 
Fleece the employee because of managements inept foresight great idea and a definate moral booster
 

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