AFA "LEADERS" ARE CHICKEN

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

OK AFA, you got a favorable ruling from the judge. Why aren't you CHAOSing? What will be AFA's next excuse to delay a job action? I know: We can't strike because Mars and Venus aren't in alignment with Pluto. Ok Ms. Reiley and Mr. Campbell,how much money did NWA pay you to delay and delay? What sort of bribe did Pat Friend receive from Northwest to stop a strike? one maybe two million dollars?

 

[FWAAA]

Must be too engrossed in this month's People, Vogue and US Weekly to notice that it's been nearly three weeks now that they've been working under imposed terms.

If you're gonna pay dues to a union and talk tough, why the reluctance to use the strike weapon? Especially when a court has ripped up your contract and allowed your employer to impose its contract upon you?

And they say scabs are spineless.

 

[tech2101]

OK AFA, you got a favorable ruling from the judge. Why aren't you CHAOSing? What will be AFA's next excuse to delay a job action? I know: We can't strike because Mars and Venus aren't in alignment with Pluto. Ok Ms. Reiley and Mr. Campbell,how much money did NWA pay you to delay and delay? What sort of bribe did Pat Friend receive from Northwest to stop a strike? one maybe two million dollars?

I see that NWA has appealed the ruling. The appeal hearing is August 25th, the last day of the self-imposed AFA strike grace period (LOL). I say the AFA will anounce to the judge that they are near an agreement right now in another room with NWA. They will both come out of the room saying "we did it". "We have a great TA that meets the requirements of the union and NWA." So the F/A's will go down with the rest of the divided groups. :down:

 

[TWU informer]

I see that NWA has appealed the ruling. The appeal hearing is August 25th, the last day of the self-imposed AFA strike grace period (LOL). I say the AFA will anounce to the judge that they are near an agreement right now in another room with NWA. They will both come out of the room saying "we did it". "We have a great TA that meets the requirements of the union and NWA." So the F/A's will go down with the rest of the divided groups. :down:

That is indeed standard AFL-CIO Unionism.

 

[hp_fa]

I'm not sure how this is going to play out. Between the Court denying NWA's request for an order denying AFA the right to strike, NWA's publication of the 101 Things To Do To Save Money and the twice rejected TA's, the ground is fertile for CHAOS(tm).

I don't see how a minimal improvement to the contract will be approved by the Negotiating team knowing all of these things and also AFA International also needs to show some fortitude in showing it is ready and able to use CHAOS(tm) or else it's credibility at other member airlines will be seen as lacking.

Finally, it is my understanding that NWA's contracts with the other groups is also tied to the FA's eventual contract.

So, considering all of that, I think it more likely then not that some form of CHAOS(tm) is coming in the next week.

 

[Kev3188]

Finally, it is my understanding that NWA's contracts with the other groups is also tied to the FA's eventual contract.

Almost correct...

All the other groups' contracts were contingent on either every other group ratifying theirs, or having terms imposed, therefore everyone has been working under their new agreements since 01.Aug.06.

 

[Don Smith]

...I don't see how a minimal improvement to the contract will be approved by the Negotiating team knowing all of these things and also AFA International also needs to show some fortitude in showing it is ready and able to use CHAOS(tm) or else it's credibility at other member airlines will be seen as lacking....

Any "improvements" will be like the last carrot and stick they offeed. Itty bitty changes in work rules and such (if any at all). The company said firmly that the $195M figure is set in stone. They already have approved two T/As with this figure...you think they are going to budge on that? As far as the timing...I agree with the Princess, something rotten in Denmark Minnesota. <_<

 

[groundcontrol]

The AMFA was willing to accept a $140 million concession, but NW wanted 176 million. You all see how that played out. I'm with Don, NW wants 195 mill.

 

[tech2101]

Any "improvements" will be like the last carrot and stick they offeed. Itty bitty changes in work rules and such (if any at all). The company said firmly that the $195M figure is set in stone. They already have approved two T/As with this figure...you think they are going to budge on that? As far as the timing...I agree with the Princess, something rotten in Denmark Minnesota. <_<

I think you are right on the mark Don. I think the F/A's will approve anything thrown at them. This CHAOS thing is joke of all airline mgmnt. The judge is on NWA's side. The AFA has nothing to gain by bargaining. They will just roll over and take like the AFL-CIO tells them to.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

The AFA raided the PFAA on the promise they would bring leadership. Instead, all NWA F/A's got was a lapdog union that is afraid to hurt Doug Stealin's feelings. What good is it to threaten CHAOS if you never implement CHAOS? AFA all bark and no bite. AFA's credibility is sinking every second they delay walking off the job. What is it gonna take for the AFA to react?

 

[Don Smith]

The AFA raided the PFAA on the promise they would bring leadership. Instead, all NWA F/A's got was a lapdog union that is afraid to hurt Doug Stealin's feelings. What good is it to threaten CHAOS if you never implement CHAOS? AFA all bark and no bite. AFA's credibility is sinking every second they delay walking off the job. What is it gonna take for the AFA to react?

The AFA called an extension for CHAOS when the terror threat came up last week...that would have the perfect time for CHAOS. These mised opportunities aren't a coincidence. They are deliberately not moving toward a job action. I'm tellin' you people..AFL-CIO :down:

 

[jenny@nw]

The AFA called an extension for CHAOS when the terror threat came up last week...that would have the perfect time for CHAOS. These mised opportunities aren't a coincidence. They are deliberately not moving toward a job action. I'm tellin' you people..AFL-CIO :down:

Say.... is Ray Benning on the BOD ?

 

[tech2101]

Say.... is Ray Benning on the BOD ?

Indeed he is.

The link to the complete board biographies is here:

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/peopl/board/board.shtml

Here is a portion of Steenland's bio...

Steenland can count a number of accomplishments achieved during his time at Northwest, including:

2002-2003: Negotiated a marketing agreement with Northwest-Delta-Continental to form the largest U.S. airline alliance and obtained necessary approvals from regulatory agencies, labor unions, and third parties to permit its implementation.
2001-2004: In response to an economic decline and the events of September 11, 2001, Steenland helped implement eight cost reduction programs which reduced expenses on an annual basis by $1.6 billion.
1999-2000: Helped settle a 14-day pilot strike. Negotiated long-term collective bargaining agreements with pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and airport personnel.
1998-1999: Key participant in Northwest's acquisition of controlling block of Continental Airlines over a competing offer by Delta Air Lines and formation of long-term alliance agreement between Northwest and Continental.
1997: Negotiated precedent-setting long-term joint venture agreement with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.
1994: Led efforts for Northwest's initial public offering.
1992-1993: Key participant in multi-billion company restructuring involving three-year employee wage reductions, bank debt restructuring, aircraft order cancellations, and concessions by equity holders.


Do you see anything positive for employees here? :unsure:

 

[Kev3188]

Do you see anything positive for employees here? :unsure:

1998-1999: Key participant in Northwest's acquisition of controlling block of Continental Airlines over a competing offer by Delta Air Lines and formation of long-term alliance agreement between Northwest and Continental.


1997: Negotiated precedent-setting long-term joint venture agreement with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.


I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'd say These two *maybe*....

 

[jenny@nw]

Indeed he is.

So if the Teamsters aren't representing anyone...WHAT is he doing there??????????