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AFA "LEADERS" ARE CHICKEN

CHAOS is for chickens.....do a real strike if you really mean it....
CHAOS puts a big burden on counter agets and you'll garner no sympathy from them...it annoys customers but they will continue to fly if the price is right...and mangement could probably care less.
 
AFA and Pat Friend have no guts to do anything. They will probably work out a new TA instead. Then it will be sent to the membership for vote. Once again, a NO vote will prevail and they will be back to square one. Strike delayed again for 15 days.

If the NW flight attendants have any dignity; they will just walk out on August 25th and screw CHAOS, AFA and NWA!
 
NWA strikes would differ
Attendants learn from mechanics

August 20, 2006

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FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER




Hernandez, of Woodhaven, left, doing more work on the Challenger. The mechanics strike at Northwest was the catalyst for him starting his own body shop. He says he breaks even restoring classic cars. The job also allows him more time for family activities, he says. (RICHARD LEE/Detroit Free Press)
Flight attendants are gearing up for a strike at Northwest Airlines a year after their coworkers who fixed and cleaned the airline's planes launched their own strike against the company.

The two unions are fighting over many of the same issues including wage and benefit cuts.

But with an unpredictable strike plan and a connected new union, labor experts say the Association of Flight Attendants faces different circumstances than members of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. Still there are lessons to be learned from the mechanics, whose walkout failed to halt the airline.

The mechanics strike qualifies as a textbook case of a failed strike, said Gary Chaison, professor of management at Clark University in Worcester, Mass.

Last August, Northwest scuttled the mechanics walkout by hiring temporary and, later, permanent replacement workers and outsourcing the work of 4,300 mechanics and cleaners.

The mechanics walked off the job protesting 26% wage cuts and plans to outsource the work of more than 2,000 mechanics and cleaners.

Initially, the strike caused delays for more than half of Northwest's flights. But airline operations improved quickly.

The union, "just had everything going wrong. You could tell that they had no public support. They had no support from the labor movement," Chaison said. "They had an employer that had planned for the strike very well."

In the end, the union says 300 mechanics crossed the picket line, including as many as 80 at Detroit Metro. Another 300 laid-off mechanics returned to Northwest, including 75 in Detroit and the company hired 280 replacement workers.

Looking back, striker Larry Hernandez says the walkout was unnecessary.

"I think that we probably could have worked it out. I think that both parties are really foolish," said Hernandez, who lives in Woodhaven. Before the strike, Hernandez fixed jet ways, vehicles and pulleys at Northwest.

The strike was the push 45-year-old Hernandez needed to start his own body shop, M & K Custom Paint and Body in Dearborn Heights, where he's breaking even restoring classic cars.Hernandez said he is happier now.

"I'm in control of my destiny right now. I have the freedom of leaving here and going to my kids' soccer game and not working Christmas," he said.

Dennis Sutton, president of the mechanics union local in Romulus, was picketing with flight attendants Friday, warning them that "they have to prepare for the worst," especially in their finances.

Sutton said the strike has been tougher on cleaners like Ray Garrison.

The 49-year-old Wyandotte man emptied waste from planes at Northwest, where he worked for 21 years.

"I lost my pay. I lost my insurance. I'm a diabetic and I can't get insurance," said Garrison, who is still trying to find a long-term job.

Garrison has found a seasonal job delivering trees and plants for John Deere Landscaping in Taylor.

"It's half of what I made an hour. And it helps to relieve some of the pressure. At least I can pay the bills to keep the house going," he said.

Northwest has eliminated Garrison's job, so he had no job to return to.

One reason for the strike, union leaders say, is that they didn't want to ask workers like Garrison to vote themselves out of a job.

"The union didn't have a choice in this," Garrison said.

From the mechanics strike, flight attendants learned that Northwest will fight to keep flying through a strike.

The airline says "it has a range of contingency options to respond to any AFA work disruption and it will take all necessary actions to continue to operate its normal flight schedule."

The attendants union says that its strike strategy, to target certain flights in certain cities with surprise walkouts, should make it tough for the airline to replace workers.

That strategy alone reflects a realistic view of striking a company, post AMFA.

"They recognize that the airline can operate without them," said John Remington, professor of human resources and industrial relations at the University of Minnesota.

In July, the flight attendants switched unions, from an independent group to one affiliated with the AFL-CIO. The change, experts say, gives them more clout as they move closer to a strike.

Attendants will have to work to get public support from travelers who worry about a strike delaying or canceling their flights.

"They have to make it more than just themselves," Chaison said.

"Essentially what they're saying is 'We're going to inconvenience you tremendously, but for a good cause.' "

Contact JEWEL GOPWANI at 313-223-4550 or j gopwani@freepress.com.
 
Indeed he is.

The link to the complete board biographies is here:

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/peopl/board/board.shtml

Here is a portion of Steenland's bio...

Steenland can count a number of accomplishments...

and Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Ok now the observations on Dougie.
Words like "negotiated" meaning he may have wandered into the room while the main bootlicker team worked it all out...and does anyone know who's idea the Skyteam was? Was it Dougies or someone at Delta or Continental. I suppose everyone at the table can put "negotiated" on their resumes...even if you were just there picking your nose.
Next words, "helped settle or implement". Again someone else doing the "real" work while Dougie is picking is nose and ordering Chinese for lunchrunch.
And don't leave out "key participant". He does seem to be good at "restructuring" (translation...screwing employees)
"cancelling orders" and "concessions" (translation...reneging on agreed to prices and not paying, eg. BK, or paying 30 cents to a dollar owed.)

The negatives on his resume far outweigh any positives.
 
Can all the other AFA carrier's F/A's sympathy CHAOS with yall? I wouldn't mind!

That would be a fun conversation:
Other carrier AFA: We want to have sympathy CHAOS with the nwa F/A group
AFA head quarters: Is your airline in the toilet too?
OCAFA: Well, no, but we want to stand in solidarity with our sisters at nwa!
AFAHQ: You have a contract. You can't do it.
OCAFA: I thought CHAOS was proven to be a legal action in court?
AFAHQ: We don't care if its legal or not...you can't do it.
OCAFA: Who's we???
AFAHQ: Uhhh..you know...us. The AFA HQ and uuuhhhh the AFL-CIO in general.
OCAFA: Why is the AFL-CIO interested in what we are doing with a small sympathy strike?
AFAHQ: Well...because if we let you do it then everybody will want to do it.
OCAFA: Wouldn't that be solidarity???
AFAHQ: If you strike then you won't be getting a paycheck.
OCAFA: I can live for two weeks without a paycheck.
AFAHQ: Oh sure..easy for you but the AFL-CIO just bought a new racecar and a new yatch...er you didn't hear me say that.
 
OK AFA, you got a favorable ruling from the judge. Why aren't you CHAOSing? What will be AFA's next excuse to delay a job action? I know: We can't strike because Mars and Venus aren't in alignment with Pluto. Ok Ms. Reiley and Mr. Campbell,how much money did NWA pay you to delay and delay? What sort of bribe did Pat Friend receive from Northwest to stop a strike? one maybe two million dollars?
Every union is gutless. They are in bed with mgnt. Can you not see this??? :down:

I'm not sure how this is going to play out. Between the Court denying NWA's request for an order denying AFA the right to strike, NWA's publication of the 101 Things To Do To Save Money and the twice rejected TA's, the ground is fertile for CHAOS(tm).

I don't see how a minimal improvement to the contract will be approved by the Negotiating team knowing all of these things and also AFA International also needs to show some fortitude in showing it is ready and able to use CHAOS(tm) or else it's credibility at other member airlines will be seen as lacking.

Finally, it is my understanding that NWA's contracts with the other groups is also tied to the FA's eventual contract.

So, considering all of that, I think it more likely then not that some form of CHAOS(tm) is coming in the next week.
Bullcraap.. AFA will sign an :down: agrement. Posturing, pure and ssimple...
 
AFA showed their hand with the extension.

Exactly. Makes me wonder what this week's excuse will be.

Oil is up in price today - maybe that will be the excuse.

"We'll wait until oil drops to $50 or less before implementing our Chaos action." B)

For a union that likes to threaten to strike - it certainly doesn't look sincere.
 
Exactly. Makes me wonder what this week's excuse will be.
"We don't want to hurt the company while the load factor is up for the summer." :shock: :shock:

"It's too hot to strike in August." B)

"There is already a picket line from the mechanics, why have another." :huh:

And of course; "we forgot to get the permits for the picket lines from the airports." :up:
 
If your gonna do anything you might as well do it now during peak travel season. Waiting til summer is over is just what management wants.
 
How many times must you be told!!! The unions aren't going to do anything for you! They are management lap dogs and nothing more. You have to take matters into your own hands! Management knows you won't do anything. Talk is cheap!! The End
 
How many times must you be told!!! The unions aren't going to do anything for you! They are management lap dogs and nothing more. You have to take matters into your own hands! Management knows you won't do anything. Talk is cheap!! The End
Say, someone mentioned Ray is out playing golf with Gary somewhere.....
 
Exactly. Makes me wonder what this week's excuse will be.

Oil is up in price today - maybe that will be the excuse.

"We'll wait until oil drops to $50 or less before implementing our Chaos action." B)

For a union that likes to threaten to strike - it certainly doesn't look sincere.

Waiting for the judges latest decision. Then they'll have to "cafefully gauge" "what this all means". Meanwhile another week goes by and the fall reduced schedule comes out. Congradulations AFA, you screwed your membership.
 
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