After Voting..."NO"

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123759908731101583.html


Rep. Mario DIAZ-Balart (R-Fla)...also opposed the bill. After it passed, he announced that it included $570,000 for HYBRID-Fuel Trolleys in Miami Lakes.

" I AM PROUD to have SECURED these FEDERAL FUNDS..to ensure that all residents of Mia Lakes can have easy access to parks, schools, shops and busnesses".....DIAZ-BALART said !

W-T-F...???????????????

 

[Seatacus]

If he wants hybrid fuel trolleys then he should pay it with money from his district, not mine.

 

[FA Mikey]

But hes not a democrat. The GOP does just fine loading up themselves, and pointing to others.

 

[Dignity]

would rather 500 thousand be spent for public transportation..than the Harry Reids proposed 8 billion 20 year 'earmarked dream' for that Anaheim to Las Vegas high speed rail system that makes zero sense, that will end up double that amount when all is said and done...

(because all the people losing their homes.. really are intent to take the high speed train to Vegas and gamble the rest of their mortgage payments away)..

 

[FA Mikey]

There in no ear mark in the bill for a train to run from Vegas to LA. Its a right wing talking point.

 

[Dignity]

There in no ear mark in the bill for a train to run from Vegas to LA. Its a right wing talking point.

never said it was actually in there..what I wrote was 'earmarked dream'...

there is 12 to 14 billion of still-undetermined amount of the stimulus money written in that package..what was said was the money was not being earmarked for any specific project but would be available on a competitive basis...and I am sure Bruce Aguilera, chairman of the California-Nevada Super Speed Train Commission has his fingers crossed..

..the DOT would end up deciding..

sometimes 'dreams' come true.....

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Dignity,

ANYTIME we(as a country) can tie together 2 Mega Cities via (high speed) Rail, it's a PLUS for the USA.
You don't have to take my word for it, but look at the HUGELY successful Rail System of Europe/Japan.

If the airports/Highways EVER had to try to operate under the discriminitory restaints that Amtrak has been under, since it's inception, you'd see what I was talking about.

High speed Rail WILL be a $$ money maker in a route running from SAN/SEA.....LAX/LAS.....NYC/ALB, along with the existing ACELA, which runs very efficiently ($) between BOS/DCA. I don't see CHI/STL, or a DCA/ATL(via RDU/CLT) being a long wait for High Speed rail either.

As far as regular (speed) rail goes, I've, ridden the AUTO TRAIN twice from DCA/MCO, and it's packed year round !

SO we can argue all we want about the $787B, but Amtraks "cut" was Loooooooooooong overdue, and thats not a..."R"..or..."D" issue !

 

[dapoes]

Dignity,

ANYTIME we(as a country) can tie together 2 Mega Cities via (high speed) Rail, is a PLUS for the USA.
You don't have to take my word for it, but look at the HUGELY successful Rail System of Europe/Japan.

If the airports/Highways EVER had to try to operate under the discriminitory restaints that Amtrak has been under, since it's exception, you'd see what I was talking about.

High spped Rail WILL be a $$ money maker in a route running from SAN/SEA.....LAX/LAS.....NYC/ALB, along with the existing ACELA, whic runs very efficiently between BOS/DCA. I don't see CHI/STL being a long wait for High Speed rail either.

As far as regular speed rail goes, I ridden the AUTO TRAIN twice from DCA/MCO, and it's packed year round !

SO we can argue all we want about the $787B, but Amtraks "cut" was Loooooooooooong overdue, and thats not a..."R"..or..."D" issue !

More NHBB absurdity...you cant even compare a Disneyland to Las Vegas high speed line to the ones in Europe and Japan. Its a losing proposition for the most obvious reasons. In the So Cal area you have about a half dozen airports serving vegas at least and you get their in under an hour at dirt cheap prices. Even at high speed and no stops (which would defeat the purpose) the plane would get there faster.

If they really wanted to put a railway to good use then they should put in mass trans railway system that covers the valley, all the way down to the OC, up to the inland empire and cross back through the foothills of Pasadena. People would use that on a daily basis and with incentives for employees and business could finally see an ease to the LA traffic (hopefully).

A high speed rail to Vegas would be for braggin rights but not very practical when that money could be put to better use else where for mass transit.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Well-well-well,...dapoes,.....on your suggestion,..we AGREE.
I'm all for putting RAIL anywhere it makes sense.

Back to my topic starter,...................this CLOWN.."Diaz-Balart" was/is a HUGE BULL SHITE artist, going way back to the Elian Gonzales fiasco !!!

 

[FA Mikey]

Parking, lines, TSA, delays,weather, mechanical, sometimes a train is easier and less stressful. Amtrak is not making it easy for the shuttle flights.

 

[Dignity]

Dignity,

ANYTIME we(as a country) can tie together 2 Mega Cities via (high speed) Rail, it's a PLUS for the USA.
You don't have to take my word for it, but look at the HUGELY successful Rail System of Europe/Japan.

what makes sense at this time?...is that the best way to utilize stimulus money? building a train and take a ride to go and pull the slots? I dont think its quite adding up to '21' just yet and some of these ideas are bust..

I actually understand the need in Europe and Japan...but I wonder...will the Casinos subsidize any of this project? if they would not, you know there is a problem..

If the airports/Highways EVER had to try to operate under the discriminitory restaints that Amtrak has been under, since it's inception, you'd see what I was talking about.

its not that I dont see what you are talking about, its just this potential use of stimulus money is not the way to go at this time..

High speed Rail WILL be a $$ money maker in a route running from SAN/SEA.....LAX/LAS.....NYC/ALB, along with the existing ACELA, which runs very efficiently ($) between BOS/DCA. I don't see CHI/STL, or a DCA/ATL(via RDU/CLT) being a long wait for High Speed rail either

but there are airlines that can do that very easily and affordable fares..

As far as regular (speed) rail goes, I've, ridden the AUTO TRAIN twice from DCA/MCO, and it's packed year round !

but that doesnt justify building a highspeed train(with stimulus money) on the other side of the country.

 

[FA Mikey]

but that doesnt justify building a highspeed train(with stimulus money) on the other side of the country.

Its about building a new greener transportation system, creating new jobs, and building on our infrastructure. That is what the stimulus money as intended to do. Not go to JP Morgan so they can remodel there hanger and add 2 new planes to their fleet.

 

[Dignity]

In the So Cal area you have about a half dozen airports serving vegas at least and you get their in under an hour at dirt cheap prices. Even at high speed and no stops (which would defeat the purpose) the plane would get there faster.

maybe at a time.. in the past.. it may have been a good idea, today..with some airlines offering flights nearly on the hour, it just does not make sense (high speed trains to LAS)..

If they really wanted to put a railway to good use then they should put in mass trans railway system that covers the valley, all the way down to the OC, up to the inland empire and cross back through the foothills of Pasadena. People would use that on a daily basis and with incentives for employees and business could finally see an ease to the LA traffic (hopefully)

Exactly.. that makes sense..

 

[Dignity]

Its about building a new greener transportation system, creating new jobs, and building on our infrastructure. That is what the stimulus money as intended to do.

at this time..it would be a short term job creation, the high speed rail project would not sustain jobs long term.

who pays for the rest of the high speed trains in the rest of the country? they are just talking building one route with the stimulus money..

 

[FA Mikey]

Since there is no proposed link from LA to Vegas in the bill, maybe, perhaps thats what will happen.