American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

Have we been put on ice by mediator?

I haven't heard from the Association when that might be, but Parker in his earnings video stated it could be many weeks before they received any word on what direction the NMB may want to take. Scare tactic,maybe, but I'm sure the Association could fill us in.

 

[Birdman]

Is it true that Parker agreed to match the wages of the latest TA proposal at Southwest that AMFA negotiated? If so, is that "A hard pill to swaller" for the ASSociation?

 

[bigjets]

I haven't heard from the Association when that might be, but Parker in his earnings video stated it could be many weeks before they received any word on what direction the NMB may want to take. Scare tactic,maybe, but I'm sure the Association could fill us in.

I’m sure the association COULD inform us.

I would like to see what ass. is asking for, but on the flip side we have so many diverse needs someone won’t happy about anything that doesn’t meet their particular needs. Most line guys want a raise, most tule OH want mainly scope....etc

The negotiating team is in a unenviable position. No matter what this will be a bad contract to someone’s position.

Just like any contract I guess, as long as no one is happy with it, it’s probably the best contract that can be accomplished

 

[WeAAsles]

I haven't heard from the Association when that might be, but Parker in his earnings video stated it could be many weeks before they received any word on what direction the NMB may want to take. Scare tactic,maybe, but I'm sure the Association could fill us in.

That’s not a scare tactic, that’s the facts if the Company doesn’t want to negotiate without NMB participation.

Right now the Company has taken a different approach by taking it directly to the Membership to see where we stand.

Hopefully the Association’s current positions can be released before the end of the week?

 

[WeAAsles]

Is it true that Parker agreed to match the wages of the latest TA proposal at Southwest that AMFA negotiated? If so, is that "A hard pill to swaller" for the ASSociation?

I suspect that they’re fine with that especially if it comes with much more work than they have?

BTW the TWU supported the AMFA and the AMFA has supported the TWU.

 

[AANOTOK]

I’m sure the association COULD inform us.

I would like to see what ass. is asking for, but on the flip side we have so many diverse needs someone won’t happy about anything that doesn’t meet their particular needs. Most line guys want a raise, most tule OH want mainly scope....etc

The negotiating team is in a unenviable position. No matter what this will be a bad contract to someone’s position.

Just like any contract I guess, as long as no one is happy with it, it’s probably the best contract that can be accomplished

...and that's if your trying to please all in one union. Multiply that times infinity when trying to keep all members happy trying to merge two contracts. I think we see...

 

[Tim Nelson]

That’s not a scare tactic, that’s the facts if the Company doesn’t want to negotiate without NMB participation.

Right now the Company has taken a different approach by taking it directly to the Membership to see where we stand.

Hopefully the Association’s current positions can be released before the end of the week?

Dude, the union asked the company to put its proposal out. Watch the town hall. Isom said 'sure'. And he did.

 

[AANOTOK]

That’s not a scare tactic, that’s the facts if the Company doesn’t want to negotiate without NMB participation.

Right now the Company has taken a different approach by taking it directly to the Membership to see where we stand.

Hopefully the Association’s current positions can be released before the end of the week?

Parker did state it would be to the Association to contact the NMB and let them know they are ready to move...
Sound as though this could drag for quite sometime.

 

[Birdman]

I suspect that they’re fine with that especially if it comes with much more work than they have?
BTW the TWU supported the AMFA and the AMFA has supported the TWU.

I know that was on the table, I'm just shocked none of the AA AMFA supporters are exploiting that fact. It's true that Bret with AMFA has brilliantly decided it's better to unite all unions on the property at WN rather than allow the company to divide and conquer. Believe it or not the TWU agreed. Now about those bullet points, are they not worthy enough to be posted?

 

[WeAAsles]

Parker did state it would be to the Association to contact the NMB and let them know they are ready to move...
Sound as though this could drag for quite sometime.

You have to remember that according to the NMB rules both sides are required to negotiate in good faith which is supposed to mean movement. Neither side is going to claim that they’re not moving and I’m sure the Company feels it satisfied that requirement when they added something to Article 7 Classifications in Fleet (Date 2/8/19) and when they said they would match the new SWA wage rates for Maintenance.

I know that the Association has moved off many positions they held when they first presented their proposals to the Company in December of 2015 but not sure what and when particularly the last move was?

If either the Company or the Association expressed an interest in moving and wanted the Mediator present I’m sure depending on the moves the party was talking about dates would be set up to accommodate. The parties also don’t need the NMB to be present if they want to meet.

Supposedly the Mediator is writing their opinion to their superiors that they don’t see any clear path forward in our talks? From their the superiors will make the next call.

 

[robbedagain]

They have these cards with A, B, C with duties for the turn assigned to a letter.They want me to tell the agents what letter they are.they claim it being done elsewhere

They dont have it in DC as of yesterday.

 

[bigjets]

Dude, the union asked the company to put its proposal out. Watch the town hall. Isom said 'sure'. And he did.

It is funny how AA did what the union asked but ass won’t do the same.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know that was on the table, I'm just shocked none of the AA AMFA supporters are exploiting that fact. It's true that Bret with AMFA has brilliantly decided it's better to unite all unions on the property at WN rather than allow the company to divide and conquer. Believe it or not the TWU agreed. Now about those bullet points, are they not worthy enough to be posted?

I wholeheartedly support that AMFA and the TWU chose to lay down all arms and support each other. Particularly at SWA with the footprint TWU has there it would be stupid not to.

I’ve heard they’re working on putting that out?

I think it needs to be clear what is the best way to present it since it’s not just a straight proposal but a collection of where they likely left off last on the subject?

Take for example in Fleet Article 41 Part Time. The Company’s last proposal is dated 4/17/17. So what was the Associations last position on that Article?

Article 7 Classifications. The Company has a date of 2/18/19 attached to that. So did the Company suddenly throw something in that they originally had not proposed? I’d say that’s likely.

So again how to present the Association position for 5 Groups with multiple open Articles and rebutting the Company position has to take a few days at least to put together to release possibly in a PDF form?

IN MY OPINION......

 

[WeAAsles]

It is funny how AA did what the union asked but ass won’t do the same.

The Company only just put out their proposals on Friday. That tells me that they had over a week not working Weekends to put it together for release.

I would suspect that the Association didn’t start to work on it until at least yesterday themselves?

TWU was having their yearly Presidents Conference in Orlando last week that ended on Friday.

Learn to have just a little patience. If you want something done right, you don’t rush.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It is funny how AA did what the union asked but ass won’t do the same.

Here is the bigger problem now. In reality, the association should have brought the proposal out for a vote in February when it had it. The reason is simple. Since Parker's town hall, the IAM placed a $300 million fee on the company. This additional cost will now severely affect negotiations and may very well take the current proposal off the table with this severe impact.
I cut and pasted an article below of a company in a IAM Pension (Not the same one as ours) and it decided to withdraw because the surplus' were killing its ability to give out normal yearly wages. Mr Baskett said on his email that the company didn't calculate right and that the cost of the plan will be millions and millions more. The company is appreciative that the IAM did not sign the proposal since the proposal did not properly calculate the withdrawal fee. And the surplus will also add millions more. This will limit wages and or other benefits. Look how the other employer specifically said in this article how it was impacting wages.
https://nwlaborpress.org/2017/12/daimler-trucks-leaves-machinist-pension/