American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

So you want them to compete against the Chicken and Screwdriver so you can feel special?

Ok how about Filet Mignon and a Hacksaw? SMH.

I believe this year they are doing something with a Brazilian theme

 

[AANOTOK]

Sorry to dash your hopes but you will not hear anything positive from 11th and 12th. This company is out to **** you. They want to tell investors that they made money on getting us a deal.

P. Rez

And the Associations game plan is?? Continue with what we have done so far. Have the TWU picket, have the TWU attend a couple of town halls. Have the IAM be happy with dragging it out for a few more years...I'm just curious as to what leverage does the Association have and what should we expect in the future. I get it, their offer is unacceptable, so what do you do next. If the next meeting is already being declared a failure, why even attend.

 

[robbedagain]

Remember:
You all WORK FOR and are PAID BY American Airlines

The IAM/TWU/Association WORKS FOR YOU and YOU PAY them.

Yet the company is the one that appears more appreciative.

Josh

Appreciate? really Josh that subpar POS contract the airline offered is nothing more than to conquer and divi company does NOT appreciate the employees with that type offer

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Appreciate? really Josh that subpar POS contract the airline offered is nothing more than to conquer and divi company does NOT appreciate the employees with that type offer

What do expect fron a Bank Teller? He's about to be replaced by a kiosk...

 

[ALUS78]

And the Associations game plan is?? Continue with what we have done so far. Have the TWU picket, have the TWU attend a couple of town halls. Have the IAM be happy with dragging it out for a few more years...I'm just curious as to what leverage does the Association have and what should we expect in the future. I get it, their offer is unacceptable, so what do you do next. If the next meeting is already being declared a failure, why even attend.

Futility...learn accept it and thank god we already got the bulk of the raise

 

[AANOTOK]

Futility...learn accept it and thank god we already got the bulk of the raise

AL, that didn't answer any of the questions I posed...

 

[ALUS78]

AL, that didn't answer any of the questions I posed...

I thought you kind of answered your own questions,actually spot on too.Ill bet beween now and when this is resolved you will throw up your arms and say "f@#k it" thats the futile part

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Funding? More like robbing, do you think anyone who gets fired from a vendor gives a chit? Do you think if they get reprimanded they have trouble sleeping that night?look at their contracts and tell me you are willing to pay dues for such a piece of chit

Being in lock-step with TN is not an argument....

Are you claiming that these groups are much better off not organizing? Are you claiming that keeping subcontractors in business with BK subsidies is good for the mainline workers? Are you claiming that relinquished job scope through BK, should be allowed to proliferate? Are you claiming that Employees at will are much better off than represented employees?

I think you are-- just as Nelson repeatedly has, and does...

The bottom line that we always boil down to with some here is very consistent. When we pick the arguments apart, and look at the details from the inside, the result is always the same.

It's a simple formula really... Unions BAD -- Corporate America GOOD!

Everything else posted here is just fluff rhetoric, to hopefully convey the ideology contained within. It won't work, your audience has abandoned you!

>SPIT<

 

[Talos]

And the Associations game plan is?? Continue with what we have done so far. Have the TWU picket, have the TWU attend a couple of town halls. Have the IAM be happy with dragging it out for a few more years...I'm just curious as to what leverage does the Association have and what should we expect in the future. I get it, their offer is unacceptable, so what do you do next. If the next meeting is already being declared a failure, why even attend.

I doubt there is a game plan. At least there doesn't appear to be one. The problem with this Association is it works against itself. The IAM is going to do what's best for its members. The TWU should do the same. Trying to take the best from both contracts is a real nice idea but can it be done in a way that American would deal with it. This mgmt group has given very negative vibes for that. I know there are a lot more pissed off LAA guys than I have seen before. I don't have that facebook stuff but a couple of guys were showing me the comments and people were spouting off about things. It's tough to deal with and mgmt knows it and flaunts it . Very unfortunate.

 

[Kev3188]

"Stood by and let it happen?" Dude, you at Delta (wink-wink), I at US, Weez at AA, along with every worker in the entire US, could not have prevented the rigged BK's...

The laws have been carefully lobbied and structured by Corporations, for Corporations to use as a WEAPON against labor. That is exactly what they did... you have no choice but to bend over and ask for mercy! I'll be accused of going off topic if I show you which special Interest Groups were behind this travesty...

I'll give you hint though... it's the same people behind " The National Right to Work Act"... The only way you can claim "WE" stood by, is to claim "WE" voted for these folks, and their anti-labor party... I'll assure you... I didn't. Did you?

>SPIT<

Stop making excuses, and get to work on fixing it.

 

[ALUS78]

Being in lock-step with TN is not an argument....

Are you claiming that these groups are much better off not organizing? Are you claiming that keeping subcontractors in business with BK subsidies is good for the mainline workers? Are you claiming that relinquished job scope through BK, should be allowed to proliferate? Are you claiming that Employees at will are much better off than represented employees?

I think you are-- just as Nelson repeatedly has, and does...

The bottom line that we always boil down to with some here is very consistent. When we pick the arguments apart, and look at the details from the inside, the result is always the same.

It's a simple formula really... Unions BAD -- Corporate America GOOD!

Everything else posted here is just fluff rhetoric, to hopefully convey the ideology contained within. It won't work, your audience has abandoned you!

>SPIT<

What im saying is the union isn't doing the contractor workers any good.They would be better off with their dues money in their pockets.

 

[NYer]

I doubt there is a game plan. At least there doesn't appear to be one. The problem with this Association is it works against itself. The IAM is going to do what's best for its members. The TWU should do the same. Trying to take the best from both contracts is a real nice idea but can it be done in a way that American would deal with it. This mgmt group has given very negative vibes for that. I know there are a lot more pissed off LAA guys than I have seen before. I don't have that facebook stuff but a couple of guys were showing me the comments and people were spouting off about things. It's tough to deal with and mgmt knows it and flaunts it . Very unfortunate.

That frustration and the fact there is little substantive information makes the frustrations and mistrust build.

Been trying to get the point across for a long, long time. This whole thing got off on the wrong foot and we've been trying to catch up ever since.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Think of the wages you were earning before the merger happened, and if you still feel under appreciated, Delta, Southwest, or maybe even United, would love to have ya.

 

[Talos]

That frustration and the fact there is little substantive information makes the frustrations and mistrust build.

Been trying to get the point across for a long, long time. This whole thing got off on the wrong foot and we've been trying to catch up ever since.

One thing I have noticed about this mgmt group is how they allow negative situations to fester. There have been lots of mergers in this business for a long time. Combining the work forces of each in a good way you would think would be a priority. It's just common sense for your service industry business which airlines are. Very terrible that they make tons of money yet allow this bad situation which they could have alleviated quite a bit by bringing things closer to equal when we got the raise. I know business is cutthroat but I though the way mgmt handled that was wrong.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not saying that at all Tim But I do agree that in no way shape or form should the AA folks get the UA type After all DL plus 7 should stand but its gone bec DL will continue to out duel AA any day as is the case DP and gangsters only care about themselves and the shareholders But I do think Rez and Baskett are doing better job than the 2005 team at the HP US when the fight broke out and of course when we lost 40 plus cities in this day and era the airline is making billions At least it seems as though the nego team is not relenting and not wanting the ua type deal

rez and mr baskett do what sito says, and the ua agreement is worse than 2005 and delta. plus rez and cheating mark have no authority and arent even authorized executive negotiators. If they were, then i would agree that rez would be much better than Sito but not fairbanks. And cheating mark tramples all over members bshind closed doors as I tried to stop him nicely on here but i guess nobody could stop him from doing stupid so i had to waste my time filing successful charges on him with the dol. Money changes people.
Regardless, i also agree with you that this offer sucks for us.