American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Being in lock-step with TN is not an argument....

Are you claiming that these groups are much better off not organizing? Are you claiming that keeping subcontractors in business with BK subsidies is good for the mainline workers? Are you claiming that relinquished job scope through BK, should be allowed to proliferate? Are you claiming that Employees at will are much better off than represented employees?

I think you are-- just as Nelson repeatedly has, and does...

The bottom line that we always boil down to with some here is very consistent. When we pick the arguments apart, and look at the details from the inside, the result is always the same.

It's a simple formula really... Unions BAD -- Corporate America GOOD!

Everything else posted here is just fluff rhetoric, to hopefully convey the ideology contained within. It won't work, your audience has abandoned you!

>SPIT<

jetblue ramp is much better off having jobs instead of being out on the street. McGee was better off with higher pay and benefits. United ground...etc. The iam has hindered progress with signing fake 12 page contracts. Now Parker wants to get hisself some of that too.

-1 for 700

 

[Rusty Hilock]

rez and mr baskett do what sito says, and the ua agreement is worse than 2005 and delta. plus rez and cheating mark have no authority and arent even authorized executive negotiators. If they were, then i would agree that rez would be much better than Sito but not fairbanks. And cheating mark tramples all over members bshind closed doors as I tried to stop him nicely on here but i guess nobody could stop him from doing stupid so i had to waste my time filing successful charges on him with the dol. Money changes people.
Regardless, i also agree with you that this offer sucks for us.

Have you seen the actual JCBA Proposal or just going on hearsay? If you don't like this one you sure won't like the one as a result of Section 6 negotiations.

 

[ALUS78]

jetblue ramp is much better off having jobs instead of being out on the street. McGee was better off with higher pay and benefits. United ground...etc. The iam has hindered progress with signing fake 12 page contracts. Now Parker wants to get hisself some of that too.

-1 for 700

Tim you wonder if some of these guys who post on here live in the real world?

 

[P. REZ]

Prez, but YOU put us in this situation. I told you and 141 that you need to reject that United Airline TA but you and 141 eboard including mr baskett, voted unanimously recommending it. Parker is simply asking for the same thing....actually, he isnt asking for as much as you recommended to United. So who is F'ing who?
Why should he expect to give us more if you guys already showed your hand at United when United was making Billions? The members wanna know.

In the meantime, as long as the TWU stays by Sitos side, TWU members will be strongly hosed as the company could wipe out 5 twu stations to soften them up. And the company can soften up the iam by wiping out 1,000 iam jobs immediately. So not sure that the company is at that F'n point yet.

Oh Tim,

How soon you forget the 14 US agreement that had average of 1 flight a day scope including LAA metal, the retained LUS insurance, the 5 weeks vacation, etc. Exactly who was being screwed?

P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

Company out to “****”?

Wow what class. Pretty much everyone else here gets paid by American Airlines, but in contrast to yourself they are net dues payers to the IAM/TWU/Association. You on the others hand have the cloak of a cushy District position and all its perks.

AA is the one who provided the interim wage adjustment in August 2016. How exactly is the company out to “****” employees? Hasn’t the IAM done more to hinder airline workers and promote the Wal-Martization of once solid middle class airline jobs through the likes of Air Wisconsin and most recently McGee, UGE and Spirit?

Josh

I would call a contract offer of cost neutral/negative one that ***** employees.

P. Rez

 

[NYer]

One thing I have noticed about this mgmt group is how they allow negative situations to fester. There have been lots of mergers in this business for a long time. Combining the work forces of each in a good way you would think would be a priority. It's just common sense for your service industry business which airlines are. Very terrible that they make tons of money yet allow this bad situation which they could have alleviated quite a bit by bringing things closer to equal when we got the raise. I know business is cutthroat but I though the way mgmt handled that was wrong.

Aside from this negotiation stuff, we have seen a marked improvement in how the Members are treated in MIA.

 

[ALUS78]

Have you seen the actual JCBA Proposal or just going on hearsay? If you don't like this one you sure won't like the one as a result of Section 6 negotiations.

They are asking for too many jobs.we are just so used to concessionary contracts they think they can keep getting away with it,and from what Im reading many of you are ready to let them

 

[ALUS78]

Aside from this negotiation stuff, we have seen a marked improvement in how the Members are treated in MIA.

Got to say in all my years they have always been decent

 

[ALUS78]

Aside from this negotiation stuff, we have seen a marked improvement in how the Members are treated in MIA.

That has to work both ways

 

[Tim Nelson]

Bob, the 5 stations are tpa, san juan, aus, sat, stl i think.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Have you seen the actual JCBA Proposal or just going on hearsay? If you don't like this one you sure won't like the one as a result of Section 6 negotiations.

its a bit better than the ua one as long as all the verbal matches what is written but still sux for lus.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oh Tim,

How soon you forget the 14 US agreement that had average of 1 flight a day scope including LAA metal, the retained LUS insurance, the 5 weeks vacation, etc. Exactly who was being screwed?

P. Rez

the 14 agreement was a direct result of the twu support and the idea of the association which the company rolled with to appease 30% to lock in the 70% twu. Worked out great thus far but its apples and oranges. Parker is comparing jcba. You guys gave united management a goodie now parker wants his.
The power of saying no compels us!

 

[ALUS78]

the 14 agreement was a direct result of the twu support and the idea of the association which the company rolled with to appease 30% to lock in the 70% twu. Worked out great thus far but its apples and oranges. Parker is comparing jcba. You guys gave united management a goodie now parker wants his.
The power of saying no compels us!

Got to agree with Tim we would have never got the contract at all not to mention as quickly as a standalone and Im not just talking about the money

 

[Talos]

They are asking for too many jobs.we are just so used to concessionary contracts they think they can keep getting away with it,and from what Im reading many of you are ready to let them

The job losses would be a rough pill to swallow. But mgmt has a good set up, screw the LAA guys and use it in negotiations. It's perfect and you know mgmt had to use this to at least try to get a cheaper deal. All the LAA people I've talked to want to see a proposal, not just vote yes to any bs put in front of them.I told people I thought the company has not even given the unions this proposal. People are wondering what the hell is going on reading this stuff on jetnet but very little from the TWU.

 

[ograc]

In any situation one has to know thy enemy in order to succeed. The company appears to know us, as a membership, better than we know ourselves. The beat goes on and history repeats itself. For those who do not learn from it!