American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

How is executing a contractual provision bargaining in bad faith or considered a threat? As a matter of fact, it wouldn't be surprising if the Mediator themselves used that as way or a mechanism to apply pressure on the Association.

How many individuals work in those cities at risk?

 

[737823]

Does it matter?

An injury to one is an injury to all.

Even if they’re LLCers?

Didn’t the IAM move the 1994 no furlough date to 1998 to 2006 in UA TA2?

So we have established DL 141 doesn’t adhere to the principles of the labor movement.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Does it matter?

An injury to one is an injury to all.

I’m having this discussion being realistic. I know you feel you’re the Home Town hero but again I don’t think the plight of a few hundred people being threatened with eviction notices is a major arm twister frankly.

 

[737823]

I’m having this discussion being realistic. I know you feel you’re the Home Town hero but again I don’t think the plight of a few hundred people being threatened with eviction notices is a major arm twister frankly.

Like catering vs small stations at USAIR BK part 2?

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

...but again I don’t think the plight of a few hundred people being threatened with eviction notices is a major arm twister frankly.

Wow.

 

[NYer]

How many individuals work in those cities at risk?

About 175

 

[ALUS78]

I use to read Dictionaries as a kid. I would look for words I’d find interesting and write the word and it’s definition in a notebook. Great way to expand one’s vocabulary.

Also learned to look up words I didn’t know every time I read books.

Weez i thought Jesters word of the day was a typing error and I havent read a book since community college how do you like them apples

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow.

Sorry to be completely honest. But don’t forget I’m also the one who dug up this old nugget that everyone else seems to have forgotten about.

 

[WeAAsles]

About 175

Thank you.

 

[NYer]

Sorry to be completely honest. But don’t forget I’m also the one who dug up this old nugget that everyone else seems to have forgotten about.

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That's irrelevant.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's irrelevant.

Ultimately I agree. But it is a little reminder that Parker and Co. were willing to bribe the TWU to get what they wanted back then, so I see nothing wrong with shoving it back in their faces today.

 

[NYer]

Ultimately I agree. But it is a little reminder that Parker and Co. were willing to bribe the TWU to get what they wanted back then, so I see nothing wrong with shoving it back in their faces today.

Most of the things they were offering would have stayed because this Term Sheet only would have been enacted if the merger took place rather than the BK. They had little choice but to agree to some of the things they included in this agreement since they wouldn't have the ability to eliminate them as a BK made possible.

It mostly a work of not being able to cut certain things, like the medical we had at the time because that would only have been possible through the BK.

No BK = no outsourcing, no changes to medical. The Term Sheet is also disadvantageous to the TWU side since it also lowered the 401K percentages and would have immediately moved us into the IAM OT process which could have meant hundreds of more PTers in MIA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Most of the things they were offering would have stayed because this Term Sheet only would have been enacted if the merger took place rather than the BK. They had little choice but to agree to some of the things they included in this agreement since they wouldn't have the ability to eliminate them as a BK made possible.

It mostly a work of not being able to cut certain things, like the medical we had at the time because that would only have been possible through the BK.

No BK = no outsourcing, no changes to medical. The Term Sheet is also disadvantageous to the TWU side since it also lowered the 401K percentages and would have immediately moved us into the IAM OT process which could have meant hundreds of more PTers in MIA.

And it also would have placed us into the IAM Medical pricing which would have given us an even further position of strength today to keep it if 30,000 Employees were in it instead of currently 10,000.

Note how the Company is trying to sell it that there’s only a few of them left, so c’mon let us have it.

 

[NYer]

And it also would have placed us into the IAM Medical pricing which would have given us an even further position of strength today to keep it if 30,000 Employees were in it instead of currently 10,000.

Note how the Company is trying to sell it that there’s only a few of them left, so c’mon let us have it.

Don't remember it being like that. It was that we'd stay in the medical plans we had at the time. That agreement didn't include the IAM so I don't see how you made that leap, the IAM and US Airways are separate entities. All the unions, TWU, APA and APFA all had similar Term Sheets with the flow through items, such as medical, having the same language.

If you believe having 30,000 in a plan gives us more strength than 10,000 then what do we say about their strength by having over 100,000 in the LAA plans.

 

[WeAAsles]

Don't remember it being like that. It was that we'd stay in the medical plans we had at the time. That agreement didn't include the IAM so I don't see how you made that leap, the IAM and US Airways are separate entities. All the unions, TWU, APA and APFA all had similar Term Sheets with the flow through items, such as medical, having the same language.

If you believe having 30,000 in a plan gives us more strength than 10,000 then what do we say about their strength by having over 100,000 in the LAA plans.

It’s the part here in Parentheses that gives me the impression to “assume” the LUS Fleet plans. But you can make a case for it being slightly ambiguous I guess.

Note how they mention the AA plans as if they are a seperate entity. But again my assumption is they meant the percentage price 7% 14% and 19% were more favorable then going up to 21%?




“If you believe having 30,000 in a plan gives us more strength than 10,000 then what do we say about their strength by having over 100,000 in the LAAplans“

Touché.