American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Ok then so which one of you Breakroom or Keyboard Warriors are going to lead the charge?

 

[Kev3188]

It's so funny. AA is being compared to Delta from the media, management and both union and non union employees. In this forum here, daily, people have questions about Delta, their pay, profit sharing, work rules, outsourcing etc... You have a guy here who works at Delta, can give you exactly what you want to know, also may offer an opinion or two. Yet a few of you take liberty to bash, criticize, belittle the guy. Some of you guys are just unbelievable.

Thank you. I truly believe it’s in all of our best interest(s) to share as much info as possible.

Those that act threatened by that often have a ve$ted intere$t in keeping all of us in the dark.

 

[B737 driver]

There will never be a strike at LAA, UA, SWA, DL or any other large airline.

Voting it down is one of the few ways to get something enhanced, not usually a big item, but something.

NYer are main problem is we are chasing what the other Airlines are going to pay their mechanics at straight time. But let us look at what we have double time on just working the holidays, tripple time if you actually work over time on a holiday. Day and shift trades. If you work 24 hours, you time out a they pay you 8 hours paid rest.Your birthday is one of our holidays. We get a chow card for expenses when out of our station for training. We get profit sharing, anything over 10% they pay in cash. A 401k match of 9.3%. We are going to get raises in our contract and all our scope is going to stay the same. Yes NYer SWA treats us so bad, but you guys are paid more straight time, see according to some of our membership logic we have it bad.

 

[Kev3188]

Ok then so which one of you Breakroom or Keyboard Warriors are going to lead the charge?

That’s usually the last person you want leading the way.

Instead, look for the guy/gal that’s the “go to” person in your station (or on your gate). They may be quieter, but generally get a lot more respect from the masses.

 

[B737 driver]

Ok then so which one of you Breakroom or Keyboard Warriors are going to lead the charge?
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That would be the Old National airlines, and we all know what happened to those guys, when they became part of Pan Am! 🙂

 

[CremaDiLimone]

There will never be a strike at LAA, UA, SWA, DL or any other large airline.

Voting it down is one of the few ways to get something enhanced, not usually a big item, but something.

how about at UPS? TOS drivers earning $36/hr on average.

corporatism doesn't allow strikes??

 

[Kev3188]

Guess we’ll find out soon enough, eh?

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/news/companies/ups-teamsters-negotiations/index.html

 

[WeAAsles]

A station like SJU can be closed by contractual language.

Other stations have an advantage of being a co-habitator with an IAM operation and there is a little bit more protection for them. However, the cross-utilization agreement that may protect some of them only covers the Members that were on payroll as of August 4th, 2016. Anyone hired in those stations after that date has no protection at all they could be laid off.

There is debate whether the airline will do that, but there shouldn't be a debate whether they could do it. The language is there.

I know my guesses have been shall we say for lack of better words “sucky as hell” but I’ll glutton myself for punishment here again and say I think we’ll all vote on something before heading in to Section 6?

BTW if the Company did invoke the Nuclear option how many people would we be talking about in those cities anyway?

In the BK our Negotiators with a gun held to their heads made the choice to close 30 cities that if it weren’t for the merger we would never have seen most of them ever come back to us.

Let’s not forget that the Association has asked for some of those cities to be reopen.

 

[737823]

A station like SJU can be closed by contractual language.

Other stations have an advantage of being a co-habitator with an IAM operation and there is a little bit more protection for them. However, the cross-utilization agreement that may protect some of them only covers the Members that were on payroll as of August 4th, 2016. Anyone hired in those stations after that date has no protection at all they could be laid off.

There is debate whether the airline will do that, but there shouldn't be a debate whether they could do it. The language is there.

Thanks but I’m pretty sure SJU isn’t the only TWU exclusive point. They are: AUS, JFK, SAT, STL, SJU.

IAM has many points exclusive to LUS but they tend to be very small places like ONT or MCI with very few employees the LAA stations tend to be larger with more employees and departures, hence the more flexible scope.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

I know my guesses have been shall we say for lack of better words “sucky as hell” but I’ll glutton myself for punishment here again and say I think we’ll all vote on something before heading in to Section 6?

BTW if the Company did invoke the Nuclear option how many people would we be talking about in those cities anyway?

In the BK our Negotiators with a gun held to their heads made the choice to close 30 cities that if it weren’t for the merger we would never have seen most of them ever come back to us.

Let’s not forget that the Association has asked for some of those cities to be reopen.

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I’m afraid that the Company has set us up to be so focused on now trying to save things that we’re going to lose track of things we asked for.

They’re setting us up for the Middle Ground to be the Status Quo.

 

[WeAAsles]

That would be the Old National airlines, and we all know what happened to those guys, when they became part of Pan Am! 🙂

Just too much tough talk always coming out of people that will never really walk the walk anyway.

Actually going on Strike is not a fun experience. It’s a very very serious decision and shouldn’t be an action taken lightly.

 

[WeAAsles]

That’s usually the last person you want leading the way.

Instead, look for the guy/gal that’s the “go to” person in your station (or on your gate). They may be quieter, but generally get a lot more respect from the masses.

Honestly your Station would be considered more of a Campfire. Not a location that’s going to lead a Nationwide charge I’m afraid.

 

[Kev3188]

Honestly your Station would be considered more of a Campfire. Not a location that’s going to lead a Nationwide charge I’m afraid.

That’s the person you want in any station/plant/whatever.

 

[Kev3188]

They’re setting us up for the Middle Ground to be the Status Quo.

That groundwork has already been laid.

 

[NYer]

NYer are main problem is we are chasing what the other Airlines are going to pay their mechanics at straight time. But let us look at what we have double time on just working the holidays, tripple time if you actually work over time on a holiday. Day and shift trades. If you work 24 hours, you time out a they pay you 8 hours paid rest.Your birthday is one of our holidays. We get a chow card for expenses when out of our station for training. We get profit sharing, anything over 10% they pay in cash. A 401k match of 9.3%. We are going to get raises in our contract and all our scope is going to stay the same. Yes NYer SWA treats us so bad, but you guys are paid more straight time, see according to some of our membership logic we have it bad.

Like everything else. There are always trade-offs.