American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

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Weez tell 700 Shana Tova שנה טובה from me. Has his son had his Bar Mitzvah yet?

Josh

 

[ALUS78]

Well Al I’m glad you asked and you want to be educated. Now here’s a news article to start you on that path and if you check out the TWU Local 252 website they have a link to both their Contract and phone numbers where you can ask their side of the story.

Mention that you’re going to be a future TWU Local 501 Member and I’m sure they’ll be quite informative.

http://laborpress.org/twu-local-252-to-vote-on-nice-contract/

That's it I was going to ask where their union was when all the cuts happened and what they are doing for them now

 

[gulfcoast1]

“I see that clown Al making incorrect comments about the privatization of NICE bus on LI. He is clueless. TWU Local 252 workers there lost their pensions, pay slashed, routes cut and layoffs up the wazoo. XXXXXXX imbecile.

And every XXXXXXX Republican in Nassau County is either in jail or indicted. Senile XXXX”

And he is anti-union, too. The sooner these 'dues objectors' leave, the better.

 

[ALUS78]

And he is anti-union, too. The sooner these 'dues objectors' leave, the better.

Gulf no bullchit forget you don't like me or my politics if the union came up to yo tommorow and said we want to rotate your days off so the junior people get a chance to have weekends every now and then.Would you be thrilled with the union?

 

[ALUS78]

“I see that clown Al making incorrect comments about the privatization of NICE bus on LI. He is clueless. TWU Local 252 workers there lost their pensions, pay slashed, routes cut and layoffs up the wazoo. XXXXXXX imbecile.

And every XXXXXXX Republican in Nassau County is either in jail or indicted. Senile XXXX”

I said there pay is comparable how much was it slashed.

 

[swamt]

Again I’ll ask you???? From Who?????
Sito is the only one that has it according to someone. So is that where it’s coming from?? You say friends on IAM.....doubt that too...but even if it’s true Sito is the only IAM person with it.
So I’d have to say if it appears, then the company provided it. I’m sure if it doesn’t appear then the blue fairy stole it. And you would put your faith in someone that the company uses????
Like I said.....YOU believe who YOU want to.

Wow! Pretty bad when the members have to beg for the information. So sad indeed...

 

[swamt]

This thread is done. Gone south for the winter and that's for sure. Holy cow...

 

[conehead777]

And he is anti-union, too. The sooner these 'dues objectors' leave, the better.

I disagree we have 2 unions that are not very good at all. We are paying them hard earned money to represent us. There doing a piss poor job. They do not give the info most members want to know like what they proposed what the company proposal were not union officials going off on video. If you were paying for a service in your private life and they did not communicate with you and you felt they were not representeing you you would get rid of them. Maybe people wouldn’t dues object if they were getting there money’s worth. But to watch these clowns that are negotiating our contract is a joke. The company has glass we need professional negotiating for us. The last twu contract had very piss poor language in there . Don v sold us down the river. Conclusion since the union will not tell us what there proposal are I’ll assume that it is not very good. If the company really is going to make all those cuts why want the union actually show us what in there. In writing instead of pissing the company off by threats and the isom remarks I don’t like Parker are isom they turned a full service airline into Walmart air. And they have showed me that they can’t run a big major airline. But a union official going on video and making those claims are ridiculous. Now if they wanted to do something do like the pilots did put it in all the major news papers that they lost confidence in senior management. Because most aa people have no confidence in this management team. But conspiracy theory about isom was a boneheaded move. And that’s why a lot of mechanics have signed AMP cards because we are not getting the service that we are paying for. We’re paying the union we are there boss it’s time they listened to us and do what the majority want let’s see both sides of the proposals and let’s go from there.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Gulf no bullchit forget you don't like me or my politics if the union came up to yo tommorow and said we want to rotate your days off so the junior people get a chance to have weekends every now and then.Would you be thrilled with the union?

Oh you are still here. I thought you had left. I thought you were a dues objector. Maybe you and TN can go form your own union and staff CLE? Bye.

 

[gulfcoast1]

I disagree we have 2 unions that are not very good at all. We are paying them hard earned money to represent us. There doing a piss poor job. They do not give the info most members want to know like what they proposed what the company proposal were not union officials going off on video. If you were paying for a service in your private life and they did not communicate with you and you felt they were not representeing you you would get rid of them. Maybe people wouldn’t dues object if they were getting there money’s worth. But to watch these clowns that are negotiating our contract is a joke. The company has glass we need professional negotiating for us. The last twu contract had very piss poor language in there . Don v sold us down the river. Conclusion since the union will not tell us what there proposal are I’ll assume that it is not very good. If the company really is going to make all those cuts why want the union actually show us what in there. In writing instead of pissing the company off by threats and the isom remarks I don’t like Parker are isom they turned a full service airline into Walmart air. And they have showed me that they can’t run a big major airline. But a union official going on video and making those claims are ridiculous. Now if they wanted to do something do like the pilots did put it in all the major news papers that they lost confidence in senior management. Because most aa people have no confidence in this management team. But conspiracy theory about isom was a boneheaded move. And that’s why a lot of mechanics have signed AMP cards because we are not getting the service that we are paying for. We’re paying the union we are there boss it’s time they listened to us and do what the majority want let’s see both sides of the proposals and let’s go from there.

You wrote all that and you said you disagree. On the contrary, it sounds like we agree. What I wrote was

gulfcoast1 said: ↑
And he is anti-union, too. The sooner these 'dues objectors' leave, the better.

And that goes double for people who think one group is holding their group back. By all means then yes I agree you should go asap. Go and negotiate on your own with a different union and become an objector until you get a new union. We agree on this. I understand Weez might not agree with you but I do. Ciao!

 

[ALUS78]

I disagree we have 2 unions that are not very good at all. We are paying them hard earned money to represent us. There doing a piss poor job. They do not give the info most members want to know like what they proposed what the company proposal were not union officials going off on video. If you were paying for a service in your private life and they did not communicate with you and you felt they were not representeing you you would get rid of them. Maybe people wouldn’t dues object if they were getting there money’s worth. But to watch these clowns that are negotiating our contract is a joke. The company has glass we need professional negotiating for us. The last twu contract had very piss poor language in there . Don v sold us down the river. Conclusion since the union will not tell us what there proposal are I’ll assume that it is not very good. If the company really is going to make all those cuts why want the union actually show us what in there. In writing instead of pissing the company off by threats and the isom remarks I don’t like Parker are isom they turned a full service airline into Walmart air. And they have showed me that they can’t run a big major airline. But a union official going on video and making those claims are ridiculous. Now if they wanted to do something do like the pilots did put it in all the major news papers that they lost confidence in senior management. Because most aa people have no confidence in this management team. But conspiracy theory about isom was a boneheaded move. And that’s why a lot of mechanics have signed AMP cards because we are not getting the service that we are paying for. We’re paying the union we are there boss it’s time they listened to us and do what the majority want let’s see both sides of the proposals and let’s go from there.

Excellent post Coney although the company does share some blame, if a contractor putting in a new kitchen in your house performed like the Association is you would fire them and go with someone else. That is why going into section 6 with the same players is nothing short of INSANE.Why is that so hard to grasp for so many ? Union lemmings.

 

[ALUS78]

Gulf no bullchit forget you don't like me or my politics if the union came up to yo tommorow and said we want to rotate your days off so the junior people get a chance to have weekends every now and then.Would you be thrilled with the union?

I thought this was a fair question.Maybe answering it honestly would hurt your agenda.Oh well

 

[Kev3188]

Hey Al would would you think if once you started rotating there in LGA after every bid the spot you picked that didn’t rotate the next bid you looked on the sheet and suddenly that spot became a rotator?

Seriously no joke. That can be arranged with one phone call. Are you really sure you want to become a dues objector there “Brother” Al?

That's what we're doing now? Wow.

 

[ALUS78]

That's what we're doing now? Wow.

Sticks and stones.....threats and intimidation same difference.Somebodys favorite movie is "On The Waterfront".Turns out to be nothing, Weez is my friend and think he would actually have my back.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And he is anti-union, too. The sooner these 'dues objectors' leave, the better.

ca t wait! You can have your awful orporate union to yourself then.

its just really stupid when people pay full dues for nothing.