American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[charlie Brown]

No the union in general and not sure if you were doing the official updates

From the beginning I was never for giving weekly updates after every session. Just not enough happens each week to put out briefings every time we meet. Hence all the frustrations. If there is nothing to report, many times the same thing was said. Imo briefings should have been done when big things broke. But many members will get pissed if they don’t get that weekly brief, no matter how blah it might be.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Huh? Your again not understanding what you read. And Tim, like I said, the break rooms that I brief know what I have said about the pension. You can NOT find one post from me or one email that I have ever told the membership that we don’t have to be concerned about our pension. I was one of the very few that had doubts about the pension when we first got it.

no you dont tell the truth. The question remains, is the iam pension projected critical status? The members wanna know.

 

[charlie Brown]

no you dont tell the truth. The question remains, is the iam pension projected critical status? The members wanna know.

You call the members retarded and idiots. And you continuously deceive the few that still listens to you. What members are you referring to? Again, you have no right to speak for any members.

 

[Dog Wonder]

First met Tim over thirty years ago. Worked with him on getting the Teamsters in after the merger, not many union men in CLT at the time., Lost a close vote. Then Tim decided to start his own union. Divided the workers enough to vote another loss by pissing on every one who supported the other unions. Passed on the pissing match, it wasn't in anyone's interest. Saw then it wasn't about the workers, it was about Tim.

Things change over thirty years, but Tim hasn't. Still about Tim, not the workers.

Carry on..

 

[swamt]

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Gee, is that $100 bucks or $1 dollar? LOL.

 

[swamt]

Do you realize that every time you post on here anymore you just prove how dumb you really are? You keep calling me a liar, plz post one thing I have lied about!! Back up your comments now, Or shut up with the liar comment. You want to call people in clt out?? Really you!! Ok Clt, anyone please post a letter or email or anything that states that I have said we will be able to strike.
You think it’s a surprise to anybody that it is very unlikely next to impossible that we would ever be able to strike. The nmb told us in 14 as the 5th largest carrier that we would never be released to strike. So quit acting like you are professying something that nobody knows.
And again, you don’t have the ability to comprehend what you read. The association update doesn’t say we will be able to strike. Plz copy and post for all to see where it says that. It states we will exercise all options under the railway labor act including self help. Self help only comes if your released.
Many options can happen under the rla. We will be ready for all and any option. This does include self help. Getting ready for all options doesn’t mean anyone is stating that we are for sure doing any of them.

Now I’ll be patiently waiting for you to post proof of me being a liar. And for anyone in clt to post that I have stated or told them we would be able to strike. In fact, they would tell you just the opposite. So keep up your great interpretations of every post and letter out there. Like I said several years ago, all anyone has to do is just sit back and let tim be Tim and all the truth and credibility takes care of itself. You are your own worst enemy.

I won't say you are a liar, but I will say you hold back enough info from the members, or mislead them enough to make people think so. By not filling the membership with all the info, and vaguely leaving out key info when updating is the same thing as lying. You may not be directly lying, but you are directly leaving out information "that you already know" that the membership should be told. Will you deny that Mr. CB?

 

[2ndGENAMT]

From the beginning I was never for giving weekly updates after every session. Just not enough happens each week to put out briefings every time we meet. Hence all the frustrations. If there is nothing to report, many times the same thing was said. Imo briefings should have been done when big things broke. But many members will get pissed if they don’t get that weekly brief, no matter how blah it might be.

Dues paying members wanting information, the gall. Blah is the definition of this Association!

 

[charlie Brown]

Planning and preparing for all possibilities under Section 6 is a good strategy. Having a solidified membership is the cornerstone. Much work should have been done to achieve this. There is undeniable division within our own rank and file. Now we want to establish Strike Committees. The company now sees the Association as a paper lion. Like a shark sensing blood in the water. Had a vote been taken, and the great last proposal put forth by the company was rejected by the membership, the lion would have roared. Are we a day late and a dollar short?

You are taking a huge risk my friend of that lion roaring. There are those on here that say the company’s proposal would have passed by 90%. Now I don’t agree with 90%, but it would have been close. And if it did pass, instead of a lion roaring we would have became that little rabbit that runs from the roar. With that proposal we would go from some of our language falling under the when are where directed, to almost all the work falling under the when and where directed. I’m surprised being at a small station, you would want to take that risk.

 

[swamt]

In section 6 there is a option for a strike. IF & very big IF you are ever released and after the cooling off period. Not a play on words. I have said now for the third time, we prepare for all options in section 6. And again, if it ever did happen and we didn’t have our committees set, I’m sure you along with a few more would be the first to criticize that the association wasn’t ready. Correct?

CB, this asso suks. This asso was forced upon these members. So don't ask if this asso wasn't ready.

 

[swamt]

No sir, you are the one that is lying. They did not offer all the work. You have even stated in a previous post that they were just discussing after reading my email. We ask them to put it to paper and they refused. But again, if you don’t care about your credibility, you don’t care to lie. And I don’t have to talk about my integrity, Maybe you always feel the need to, but I don’t. They didn’t offer anything in writing. Keep spewing your lies. Like I said, about 5 people believe you.
That’s less than what used to. So your still doing your usual great job for the members.
If you really gave a crap about the membership, why are you always trying to deceive them. Is your own agenda really that important to you that you don’t give a crap in deceiving the membership. Is it because your bitter that they didn’t choose you yet again or what? I mean I know you called them all idiots and retarded but I just don’t get your insatiable need to always deceive. And the members know what I have told them about our pension and other issues. You sir do not know except second hand info, your not in the break rooms that I brief.

Again Mr Comprehension, I didn’t say imagine! I said prepare for all options of section 6. And again there is only one person on here in love with all his imaginary friends.

Huh? Your again not understanding what you read. And Tim, like I said, the break rooms that I brief know what I have said about the pension. You can NOT find one post from me or one email that I have ever told the membership that we don’t have to be concerned about our pension. I was one of the very few that had doubts about the pension when we first got it.

Are you referring to me? I just give out the info that I have. It’s your choice and everyone else’s choice to believe it or not. I’m fine with either. I’m fully aware people have their doubts about things. I would never call anyone a azzhole or idiot for that.

And again Mr. CB, I will enlighten you. Withholding information, not telling all the details, and of course not relaying the entire story is just another way of "LYING" and being able to say that you are not lying. Just ask your better half about all that. The lack of info from the membership is astonishing.

 

[charlie Brown]

I won't say you are a liar, but I will say you hold back enough info from the members, or mislead them enough to make people think so. By not filling the membership with all the info, and vaguely leaving out key info when updating is the same thing as lying. You may not be directly lying, but you are directly leaving out information "that you already know" that the membership should be told. Will you deny that Mr. CB?

Yes I will deny that Mr Swamt. If I wanted to keep the membership in the dark? Why would I come on here?? I would just ignore all of these post. That would be much easier, dont ya think? Do I know things that have been said in negotiations that aren’t revealed to everyone? Yes? But it’s not because I try to keep info from anyone. It’s because if you put something on paper on a public forum it becomes record. I have offered anyone on here to call me and we can talk. I have also stated much more in break rooms or on one on one conversations. It’s not about keeping info from anyone. It’s about not being able to put everything in writing. Again, if I wanted to keep you and anyone else in the dark? Believe me, my time could easily be spent doing other things instead of taking the time to be on here. Or I would not offer my phone number for people to call. If you call that lying Mr, Swampt, you and I have a different interpretation of what the word means.

 

[charlie Brown]

And again Mr. CB, I will enlighten you. Withholding information, not telling all the details, and of course not relaying the entire story is just another way of "LYING" and being able to say that you are not lying. Just ask your better half about all that. The lack of info from the membership is astonishing.

The lack of info from the membership is astonishing? I don’t follow what you mean?

 

[swamt]

Dont talk about members. You don’t have that right. And we didn’t give up all leverage. If you don’t think it’s very costly to the company to still have two different operations going all over the system, you are delusional. And now Parker has to explain to the stockholders how they are trimming cost, but yet leave millions in synergies just laying there. Why did they file for section 6 if they are fine where everyone is and we have no leverage.

Wrong again CB. You guys lost leverage when you guys agreed to working both metals, and let's see, WITHOUT the memberships vote on it. How freakin sad indeed.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB, this asso suks. This asso was forced upon these members. So don't ask if this asso wasn't ready.

Swamt
Are you a LAA member or LUS? While I have stated on here before if I was LAA member, I would understand anyone who feels that way. However a LUS member, it was definitely the best option. Not saying anyone is crazy about it. It definitely has its challenges, but the alternatives for the Lus side wasn’t very attractive.

 

[charlie Brown]

Wrong again CB. You guys lost leverage when you guys agreed to working both metals, and let's see, WITHOUT the memberships vote on it. How freakin sad indeed.

You really think for one second the membership would have voted no for that pay raise? What world you living in? And yes there is still leverage.