American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[swamt]

Yes I will deny that Mr Swamt. If I wanted to keep the membership in the dark? Why would I come on here?? I would just ignore all of these post. That would be much easier, dont ya think? Do I know things that have been said in negotiations that aren’t revealed to everyone? Yes? But it’s not because I try to keep info from anyone. It’s because if you put something on paper on a public forum it becomes record. I have offered anyone on here to call me and we can talk. I have also stated much more in break rooms or on one on one conversations. It’s not about keeping info from anyone. It’s about not being able to put everything in writing. Again, if I wanted to keep you and anyone else in the dark? Believe me, my time could easily be spent doing other things instead of taking the time to be on here. Or I would not offer my phone number for people to call. If you call that lying Mr, Swampt, you and I have a different interpretation of what the word means.

I know you know things have been said in nego's that you are leaving out of the info. And now you are admitting to it.
Do the members have to ask you the exact question in order for you to reveal it? That is fked up. You should be releasing any and ALL info to the members, period. And your game on saying members can call and ask is pathetic. How in the world do they know what you guys have discussed at the table? Because you guys do not give thorough updates? To put the blame on the membership to ask you the very spacific questions to be answered is another way of lying CB, C'mon man.

The lack of info from the membership is astonishing? I don’t follow what you mean?

Sorry bout that, fingers moving faster than eyes. Meant to say, lack of info "FOR" the membership not "FROM". My bad for fast typing...

 

[swamt]

Swamt
Are you a LAA member or LUS? While I have stated on here before if I was LAA member, I would understand anyone who feels that way. However a LUS member, it was definitely the best option. Not saying anyone is crazy about it. It definitely has its challenges, but the alternatives for the Lus side wasn’t very attractive.

No. I am not. However, since you bring it up. Please explain to all of us how in the world that this was the best option to "force" the asso. upon the membership? No vote, that was promised. Please endulge us on your explanation on why it is that it was the best option???

 

[WeAAsles]

You are taking a huge risk my friend of that lion roaring. There are those on here that say the company’s proposal would have passed by 90%. Now I don’t agree with 90%, but it would have been close. And if it did pass, instead of a lion roaring we would have became that little rabbit that runs from the roar. With that proposal we would go from some of our language falling under the when are where directed, to almost all the work falling under the when and where directed. I’m surprised being at a small station, you would want to take that risk.

Unfortunately when the Company announced the security of all currently staffed cities I noticed a change in ograc’s original battle cries.

“Lock and Load” was replaced by an acquiescence of maybe considering the offer.

I can understand since his personal main issue seemed to be resolved to his liking how he wouldn’t want to see it put to risk. I may not agree with the motivation but I can understand it.

 

[swamt]

You really think for one second the membership would have voted no for that pay raise? What world you living in? And yes there is still leverage.

You GD right I do, and why wouldn't they? That was their full blown leverage rather you want to believe it or not. NOT everyone thinks as you or any one of your NC folks. You never asked the members if they would or would not have vote for or against now did you CB? So you cannot say IF the membership would have voted it in or not. Stop pretending you guys know all the dam time that you guys know best, because you guys do not and far from it. Please for God's sake get a clue of what your membership wants.

 

[charlie Brown]

I know you know things have been said in nego's that you are leaving out of the info. And now you are admitting to it.
Do the members have to ask you the exact question in order for you to reveal it? That is fked up. You should be releasing any and ALL info to the members, period. And your game on saying members can call and ask is pathetic. How in the world do they know what you guys have discussed at the table? Because you guys do not give thorough updates? To put the blame on the membership to ask you the very spacific questions to be answered is another way of lying CB, C'mon man.


Sorry bout that, fingers moving faster than eyes. Meant to say, lack of info "FOR" the membership not "FROM". My bad for fast typing...

Your stating pretty concrete facts on how our phone conversation would go for a person that’s never called me. I think you would hear different from those that have bothered to take the time to call. But again. If I didn’t care about members being informed I would not be on here, or on Facebook, or send out my email briefings. And when people did call I would just state I can’t talk about that. But that’s not the case. I actually feel I have gave the members quite a bit of info. If there is a question you have? Let me know. I don’t mind saying if I can’t answer it in here. But again, there are other ways of finding out if you really care to. But some peoples goal ( not necessarily yours) is to not find out the info, so they can complain. It’s not hard to call someone. It’s 10 digits to push. Much easier than being on here punching all this in with a phone.

 

[swamt]

You really think for one second the membership would have voted no for that pay raise? What world you living in? And yes there is still leverage.

If you really think time is your leverage, you are sadly mistaken. Time is what AA is fixen to show you guys.

 

[charlie Brown]

You GD right I do, and why wouldn't they? That was their full blown leverage rather you want to believe it or not. NOT everyone thinks as you or any one of your NC folks. You never asked the members if they would or would not have vote for or against now did you CB? So you cannot say IF the membership would have voted it in or not. Stop pretending you guys know all the dam time that you guys know best, because you guys do not and far from it. Please for God's sake get a clue of what your membership wants.

I do have a clue of what the membership wants. And I assure you the raise would have been voted in by a overwhelming majority. It’s fine to not agree with that. But I’m pretty sure I have a better feel for our membership than you do Mr. Swampt.

 

[swamt]

Your stating pretty concrete facts on how our phone conversation would go for a person that’s never called me. I think you would hear different from those that have bothered to take the time to call. But again. If I didn’t care about members being informed I would not be on here, or on Facebook, or send out my email briefings. And when people did call I would just state I can’t talk about that. But that’s not the case. I actually feel I have gave the members quite a bit of info. If there is a question you have? Let me know. I don’t mind saying if I can’t answer it in here. But again, there are other ways of finding out if you really care to. But some peoples goal ( not necessarily yours) is to not find out the info, so they can complain. It’s not hard to call someone. It’s 10 digits to push. Much easier than being on here punching all this in with a phone.

Because I know CB. And you know I know. That's why you stopped conversing the last time.
If you are afraid to put the info out there on any social media, facebook, these threads, whatever, then you are hiding information. If you are afraid of someone holding you to the post you post then why are you scared? There is a reason you guys do not post the info for the members as they will hold you guys to it. Keep dodging CB. They are watching and figuring it all out as we go...

 

[charlie Brown]

If you really think time is your leverage, you are sadly mistaken. Time is what AA is fixen to show you guys.

Where did I post time is our leverage? And again, if the company wants to sit forever? Why did they file?

 

[swamt]

I do have a clue of what the membership wants. And I assure you the raise would have been voted in by a overwhelming majority. It’s fine to not agree with that. But I’m pretty sure I have a better feel for our membership than you do Mr. Swampt.

Really? Watch what happens here shortly CB. You will be surprised yourself. Good luck, your gonna need it.

 

[swamt]

Where did I post time is our leverage? And again, if the company wants to sit forever? Why did they file?

To extend longer. Hello!!!

 

[swamt]

Not leaving you but I have to go pick up my kid. If not back tonight will be back in morning.

 

[charlie Brown]

Because I know CB. And you know I know. That's why you stopped conversing the last time.
If you are afraid to put the info out there on any social media, facebook, these threads, whatever, then you are hiding information. If you are afraid of someone holding you to the post you post then why are you scared? There is a reason you guys do not post the info for the members as they will hold you guys to it. Keep dodging CB. They are watching and figuring it all out as we go...

It’s not about dodging. The articles that you agree to are called t/a, d articles. That means they are subject to change. And they often do. If you put something in writing, and it changes then people have that in print and it can cause massive confusion and the membership could think they are voting on something that they aren’t. You can call it dodging if you want Mr Swampt. And again, your welcome to call anytime. Or should I assume you are one that would just soon complain?

 

[charlie Brown]

And I don’t recall when I stopped conversing with you. It could have been the difference in time. For instance, it is midnight here in clt right now. Maybe I just fell asleep on you the last time. My appologies. But warning... it could happen again.

 

[charlie Brown]

No. I am not. However, since you bring it up. Please explain to all of us how in the world that this was the best option to "force" the asso. upon the membership? No vote, that was promised. Please endulge us on your explanation on why it is that it was the best option???

Who is us?? If your not a member sir why do you have an opinion. I spend a lot of time explaining and answering members questions. And please don’t be like another poster on here and add words to my post to better fit your argument. I never stated it was a better option to be “ forced “ on anyone. There should have been a vote I agree. But the vote would have been two choices, yes for the association or no which would have meant no representation. The nmb ruled that there would be an association. Again, I was for a vote, but I also don’t sit around and cry about what happened. I move forward. But again, if your not a member, plz tell me why I owe you a answer to your questions? Do I at the IAM represent you in anyway?