American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[charlie Brown]

Really? Watch what happens here shortly CB. You will be surprised yourself. Good luck, your gonna need it.

Well thank you sir!! I appreciate that!

 

[B737 driver]

Where did I post time is our leverage? And again, if the company wants to sit forever? Why did they file?

Charlie Brown ask Swarat why he is an expert in American Airlines affairs. His buddies in Dallas leaked voting results during our election of our T/A. The mighty AMFA did an investigation in two days, no problems found. But he and his buddies think there will be a quick solution from the company turning this down. Maybe the National Labor relations Board will do their own investigation?

 

[AANOTOK]

CB, I continually hear you and many others say all of our work with the exception of the loading and unloading of aircraft was in jeopardy. You today said almost all work would have fallen under the "when and where directed" language. Could you clarify that. And was that a verbal threat or was that in writing from the company. If writing, can the members read it. With section 6 forced upon us, I personally would like to have more/better clarification than what the updates provide, and I would also like to see exactly what the company was asking. This most, more, etc... isn't completely clear.

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie Brown ask Swarat why he is an expert in American Airlines affairs. His buddies in Dallas leaked voting results during our election of our T/A. The mighty AMFA did an investigation in two days, no problems found. But he and his buddies think there will be a quick solution from the company turning this down. Maybe the National Labor relations Board will do their own investigation?

He stated he’s not LAA or LUS. So I’m not sure I need to be wasting my time with his post. I have enough questions from actual members. I thought since he was complaining I was keeping info from the members, that he was a member. But this is actually someone that’s not with AA complaining that I’m not giving him info?? Wow! Guess I better call my brother up tomorrow and tell him what articles we have done. He has his own heating and air business. But I guess he needs to know. Lol.

 

[P. REZ]

Update

I not trying to be difficult here, but why would we have a vote on the offer by the company before going into Mediated talks? The NC believes the company is offering a concessionary deal. IMO, the company will have to move off this garbage they are offering us. Don't get me wrong, we will have to move too but the company is acting like we are in bankruptcy. They are not moving. FYI, we went to mediation in our 2014 contract too.

P. Rez

 

[AANOTOK]

Update

I not trying to be difficult here, but why would we have a vote on the offer by the company before going into Mediated talks? The NC believes the company is offering a concessionary deal. IMO, the company will have to move off this garbage they are offering us. Don't get me wrong, we will have to move too but the company is acting like we are in bankruptcy. They are not moving. FYI, we went to mediation in our 2014 contract too.

P. Rez

I agree, both are going to have to move. I don't believe the mediator can force that, so I really don't see the point of having one. In my opinion, we are in for a long battle, and I'm not talking months.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB, I continually hear you and many others say all of our work with the exception of the loading and unloading of aircraft was in jeopardy. You today said almost all work would have fallen under the "when and where directed" language. Could you clarify that. And was that a verbal threat or was that in writing from the company. If writing, can the members read it. With section 6 forced upon us, I personally would like to have more/better clarification than what the updates provide, and I would also like to see exactly what the company was asking. This most, more, etc... isn't completely clear.

The latest discussion that was about scope was not put in writing. Keep in mind, at this point in negotiations, neither side will put much in writing until much verbal discussion across the table and they pretty much know there is an agreement.

The company after making their remark that basically stated, even if we agreed to give you all your current work in your 40 stations, you guys wouldnt agree to that. The company was then told to put that in writing for us and they refused. There was then discussion on they would guarantee all “ core work” which also sounded pretty good, until we heard what they considered core work, which is basically loading and unloading aircraft only. Everything else they wanted to fall under when and where directed. They make no secret that they want to shrink head count over the years through attrition. In order to do that, they need most of our work under the when and where directed so they will have the ability to get rid of work as we attrition down.
Now that’s not to Say That in the beginning of our contract from the company’s offer that we wouldnt be doing a lot of other work, we would because we would have to be since they would guarantee everyone their jobs. But once we start attritioning down, that work would slowly disappear depending on what the company would want to do away with. So we would be allowing the company to get rid or work. Which would never allow our membership to not even grow, but to also not even stay where it is today. It would only shrink down to the number they would be content with.

 

[AANOTOK]

The latest discussion that was about scope was not put in writing. Keep in mind, at this point in negotiations, neither side will put much in writing until much verbal discussion across the table and they pretty much know there is an agreement. The company after making their remark that basically stated, even we agreed to give you all your current work in your 40 stations, you guys would t agree to that. The company was then told to put that in writing for us and they refused. There was then discussion on they would guarantee all “ core work” which also sounded pretty good, until we heard what they considered core work, which is basically loading and unloading aircraft only. Everything else they wanted to fall under when and where directed. They make no secret that they want to shrink head count over the years through attrition. In order to do that, they need most of our work under the when and where directed so they will have the ability to get rid of work as we attrition down. Now that’s not to Say That in the beginning of our contract from the company’s offer that we would t be doing a lot of other work, we would because we would have to be since they would guarantee everyone their jobs. But once we start attritioning down, that work would slowly disappear depending on why the company would want to do away with.

Thank you, CB

 

[charlie Brown]

Will try to get back on here over the weekend if this storm doesn’t prevent me from doing so.

 

[charlie Brown]

Thank you, CB

No problem. Your welcome! Talk to ya later. I’m gone.

 

[P. REZ]

I agree, both are going to have to move. I don't believe the mediator can force that, so I really don't see the point of having one. In my opinion, we are in for a long battle, and I'm not talking months.

AANOTOK,

Correct, the mediator can't force either of us to move.

P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Will try to get back on here over the weekend if this storm doesn’t prevent me from doing so.

I remember Hugo. That storm is no joke and although it may not be hurricane force, the winds and tornados and downed trees will happen as you know.

That said, you will have plenty of time to come on here over the next several years. If we are lucky, a mediator will be scheduled prior to the new year.
We have zero leverage so since you guys don't believe in disclosing things to the membership, I guess we are all screwed until the company offers us less and forces your hands. Unfortunately, we have seen this before at United. And I'm not a prophet but you guys will be expected by Sito to go out and sell a rotten contract that is worse than what the company offered us last, which was better than United. All bets off now and catering will never ever be included in a TA now. You blew that one.

 

[B737 driver]

He stated he’s not LAA or LUS. So I’m not sure I need to be wasting my time with his post. I have enough questions from actual members. I thought since he was complaining I was keeping info from the members, that he was a member. But this is actually someone that’s not with AA complaining that I’m not giving him info?? Wow! Guess I better call my brother up tomorrow and tell him what articles we have done. He has his own heating and air business. But I guess he needs to know. Lol.

He's an idiot! 🙂

 

[2ndGENAMT]

It’s not about dodging. The articles that you agree to are called t/a, d articles. That means they are subject to change. And they often do. If you put something in writing, and it changes then people have that in print and it can cause massive confusion and the membership could think they are voting on something that they aren’t. You can call it dodging if you want Mr Swampt. And again, your welcome to call anytime. Or should I assume you are one that would just soon complain?

Keeping information from the dues payers is what causes this!

 

[2ndGENAMT]

CB, I continually hear you and many others say all of our work with the exception of the loading and unloading of aircraft was in jeopardy. You today said almost all work would have fallen under the "when and where directed" language. Could you clarify that. And was that a verbal threat or was that in writing from the company. If writing, can the members read it. With section 6 forced upon us, I personally would like to have more/better clarification than what the updates provide, and I would also like to see exactly what the company was asking. This most, more, etc... isn't completely clear.

NO you can't read it, that would cause confusion in the simple mind of a Dues Payer.