American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I think you are really helping the company with your posts on Jetnet. I am no fan of the association either but I'm not going to help Parker cut my nuts. What you post here is cool and we are all frustrated but at least on Jetnet we should try to at least look more united. But seriously you are starting to look like you are actually that moron Billy Jackson who is a stock clerk that constantly takes the company's side. Just my two cents and I am just as frustrated as you. I support your right to be a dues objector and I admire you for it. I just think what you do on Jetnet is hurting and not helping us.

i hear ya. You know I actually had one twu guy email me and tell me that their organization and the company couldnt believe the iam made me a free agent to spill over mayhem.

But the reality is that there has to be dissonant voices when justice is on the line.

And what appears as a desire to create division withing the union is really an action for unity against lies, secrecy, and conspiracy.

I may be the only one, but if and when enough join me, we will build the unity to get a democratic vote.

I often stand for what I believe in, but this time Im standing against things that are terribly wrong.

Sito needs to recuse himself. Its simply wrong to have the United Airline Board of Director in our business.

The union needs to disclose information. We deserve better than rants, barbie tantrums, and video conspiracies.

Above all, asking us all to go years down the road without getting our consent through a vote is inherently wrong.

Im not saying if Parker or the union is lying but both cant possibly be right.

And if wanting full disclosure is wrong then I dont want to be right Old Dude

 

[ALUS78]

i hear ya. You know I actually had one twu guy email me and tell me that their organization and the company couldnt believe the iam made me a free agent to spill over mayhem.

But the reality is that there has to be dissonant voices when justice is on the line.

And what appears as a desire to create division withing the union is really an action for unity against lies, secrecy, and conspiracy.

I may be the only one, but if and when enough join me, we will build the unity to get a democratic vote.

I often stand for what I believe in, but this time Im standing against things that are terribly wrong.

Sito needs to recuse himself. Its simply wrong to have the United Airline Board of Director in our business.

The union needs to disclose information. We deserve better than rants, barbie tantrums, and video conspiracies.

Above all, asking us all to go years down the road without getting our consent through a vote is inherently wrong.

Im not saying if Parker or the union is lying but both cant possibly be right.

And if wanting full disclosure is wrong then I dont want to be right Old Dude

Its like the Association is scared of the truth.

 

[AANOTOK]

LAX, I understand where you're coming from. It's quite disturbing but expected. The IAM did a nice job of protecting their members and sad to say it came at a cost to us at LAA. The real blame belongs to our own representatives the TWU. I'd be embarrassed to be involved with the business choices the TWU has made. We might as well have the 3 Stooges representing us. It's easy to be pissed at the other group but they made sound business choices to represent their people and I'm ok with that. As for the TWU, I'm not ok with them.

I believe the LUS FA's received compensation for having to switch over to the LAA medical plan.
Will the TWU side of the Association have the courage to negotiate compensation for the TWU for missing out on monies we are missing out on and will be for a few more years. I would bet the IAM negotiators will damn sure be fighting for some type of compensation if their IAM members end up in our health plan.

 

[Buck]

Come on we are already in a battle with the company and union.If it was brought up dismiss it as absurd and move on

Ok, it was a question over at Facebook

 

[CremaDiLimone]

No guarantees in life young man.They wouldn't let us strike if we were in the French republic

maybe, but you'd get 4 day work weeks and no rotating days off.

 

[Jester]

I would bet the IAM negotiators will damn sure be fighting for some type of compensation if their IAM members end up in our health plan.

I accept I will lose LUS insurance as it is one of the Company's "must haves" to keep all employee groups under the same standard insurance, but I expect something hefty in return. What has been offered in totality has not be much to LUS in terms of the current CBA, so not surprisingly, the LUS support has been tepid. Toss in the lack of job protections and de facto reductions in stations over time, I find little reason to support anything the Company has informally offered to date.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

i hear ya. You know I actually had one twu guy email me and tell me that their organization and the company couldnt believe the iam made me a free agent to spill over mayhem.

But the reality is that there has to be dissonant voices when justice is on the line.

And what appears as a desire to create division withing the union is really an action for unity against lies, secrecy, and conspiracy.

I may be the only one, but if and when enough join me, we will build the unity to get a democratic vote.

I often stand for what I believe in, but this time Im standing against things that are terribly wrong.

Sito needs to recuse himself. Its simply wrong to have the United Airline Board of Director in our business.

The union needs to disclose information. We deserve better than rants, barbie tantrums, and video conspiracies.

Above all, asking us all to go years down the road without getting our consent through a vote is inherently wrong.

Im not saying if Parker or the union is lying but both cant possibly be right.

And if wanting full disclosure is wrong then I dont want to be right Old Dude

I understand Tim. I'm no fan of the TWU as my comment history. Just felt I should try to get you to tone down the Jetnet stuff. It's your right to do what you are doing.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Come on we are already in a battle with the company and union.If it was brought up dismiss it as absurd and move on

we're in a battle? this mediator step won't help, unless we back off or the company backs off. either way, we're losing jobs (twu - AMT will take a hit & iam) and lus/iam will lose their insurance. in exchange for something greater than proposed by jetnet films?? .50 cents more on DOS?

we're better off going straight to an arbitrator, where we'll lose jobs anyways, as in the 1st hurdle scenario, but the arbitrator can open up aa and get us some real profit sharing.

to me, this is what aa fears and i doubt they will allow themselves to get opened up by an arbitrator. so, hold firm and the company may give in on some scope.

the thing is, we won't hold firm. all twu up for election in the next year will be voted out.

 

[AANOTOK]

I accept I will lose LUS insurance as it is one of the Company's "must haves" to keep all employee groups under the same standard insurance, but I expect something hefty in return. What has been offered in totality has not be much to LUS in terms of the current CBA, so not surprisingly, the LUS support has been tepid. Toss in the lack of job protections and de facto reductions in stations over time, I find little reason to support anything the Company has informally offered to date.

I have always felt that was inevitable Jester, but obviously I don't know. My point was, I have no doubt your IAM negotiators will fight for every thing they can get because of that loss, if indeed that happens. I question whether our guys will fight for compensation because of holiday and other things we are missing out on.

 

[Talos]

I believe the LUS FA's received compensation for having to switch over to the LAA medical plan.
Will the TWU side of the Association have the courage to negotiate compensation for the TWU for missing out on monies we are missing out on and will be for a few more years. I would bet the IAM negotiators will damn sure be fighting for some type of compensation if their IAM members end up in our health plan.

AANOTOK, The way this has played out it's hard to imagine the TWU doing anything. It's enough to make you wonder what compensation the original TWU guys who did the deal got. When there was no vote you really had to wonder what kind of shady stuff is this. It worked out well for the IAM and the company, so you can't help but feeling sold out. No information from the TWU, and their silence speaks volumes about the situation.

 

[ograc]

You are taking a huge risk my friend of that lion roaring. There are those on here that say the company’s proposal would have passed by 90%. Now I don’t agree with 90%, but it would have been close. And if it did pass, instead of a lion roaring we would have became that little rabbit that runs from the roar. With that proposal we would go from some of our language falling under the when are where directed, to almost all the work falling under the when and where directed. I’m surprised being at a small station, you would want to take that risk.

With all due respect my friend; I believe the where and when directed push, is a harder stance in negotiations by the company, due to their frustration with the lack of movement on other issues. Sabre rattling. They are posturing themselves to be seen as bargaining in good faith in front of the mediator. The question is how will the mediator view the Association's posture? I have stated in the past; priority one should be the preservation of work and jobs. Not the preservation of the LUS insurance and the IAM pension. I believe the focus on preserving everything, although noble is unattainable. I doubt a mediator will see it much different. With all due respect CB; the mediator will expect to see movement, from both parties, to a middle ground. You know this.

 

[ograc]

With all due respect my friend; I believe the where and when directed push, is a harder stance in negotiations by the company, due to their frustration with the lack of movement on other issues. Sabre rattling. They are posturing themselves to be seen as bargaining in good faith in front of the mediator. The question is how will the mediator view the Association's posture? I have stated in the past; priority one should be the preservation of work and jobs. Not the preservation of the LUS insurance and the IAM pension. I believe the focus on preserving everything, although noble is unattainable. I doubt a mediator will see it much different. With all due respect CB; the mediator will expect to see movement, from both parties, to a middle ground. You know this.

BTW... you know, as well as I, the lion will not roar at the proposal as it stands. The company knows it and will make damn sure the mediator does as well. I'm feeling a little boxed in. How about you?

 

[charlie Brown]

bro, thats what baskett went in the breakrooms saying a few weeks ago. Claimed prior to section 6 that they would allow a vote.
I guess he didnt know that a company can file section 6.

But no.the company didnt offer to contract out abr and bagroom. That wasnt even a clean lie, it was just mean.

Did you proof read this before posting Mr Lifetime Union Slug? Does it sound believable? you and your buddy are FOS and still the enemies of LAA. You know it and most of us know it. You haven't done sh!t to advance the interest of the majority yet always act like you're here on behalf of the entire membership. Give it up, Come clean!

Nor sure who you are, but I assume by the post your LAA. I am here for everyone, but I also have a job to do for the IAM members. Again I can not and will not vote to put out any agreement until it is at least cost positive to the members I represent.

 

[AANOTOK]

From day one if I recall, LUS medical was the most promised Item to be preserved. That IAM members voice was heard loud and clear, MEDICAL was number one. The negotiators right or wrong made that the must have early on. In the beginning that is all I heard. Of course followed by catering...When AA would not bulge on medical, the game changed. Scope suddenly became the new hot item. When they realized the Association was going to keep their word to the members, they then started taking away more in scope. To the members, they keep what they have and here we are in section 6. Ograc, as a TWU member, I really feel like we are in a box with no way out!

 

[charlie Brown]

bro, thats what baskett went in the breakrooms saying a few weeks ago. Claimed prior to section 6 that they would allow a vote.
I guess he didnt know that a company can file section 6.

But no.the company didnt offer to contract out abr and bagroom. That wasnt even a clean lie, it was just mean.

Ill simply respond to this as Not True as usual. Keep trying to deceive Mr Chameleon.