American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

With all due respect my friend; I believe the where and when directed push, is a harder stance in negotiations by the company, due to their frustration with the lack of movement on other issues. Sabre rattling. They are posturing themselves to be seen as bargaining in good faith in front of the mediator. The question is how will the mediator view the Association's posture? I have stated in the past; priority one should be the preservation of work and jobs. Not the preservation of the LUS insurance and the IAM pension. I believe the focus on preserving everything, although noble is unattainable. I doubt a mediator will see it much different. With all due respect CB; the mediator will expect to see movement, from both parties, to a middle ground. You know this.

I think as part of that middle ground we should seriously consider giving up a few smaller cities then. That way the Hubs can keep all of their work and maybe we can even get an improvement over the current Company wage offer?

Does that sound like a reasonable middle ground to you ograc?

 

[AANOTOK]

Nor sure who you are, but I assume by the post your LAA. I am here for everyone, but I also have a job to do for the IAM members. Again I can not and will not vote to put out any agreement until it is at least cost positive to the members I represent.

I'm sorry CB, but I cringe every time I see you say I have a job to do for the IAM members. Again to me, it;s two unions acting as one (strength in numbers) but fighting for different things, Might just be one, but here we are in section 6.

 

[ALUS78]

I believe the LUS FA's received compensation for having to switch over to the LAA medical plan.
Will the TWU side of the Association have the courage to negotiate compensation for the TWU for missing out on monies we are missing out on and will be for a few more years. I would bet the IAM negotiators will damn sure be fighting for some type of compensation if their IAM members end up in our health plan.

maybe, but you'd get 4 day work weeks and no rotating days off.

And 3 hour lunches

 

[P. REZ]

COMPANY PROPAGANDA
13 Sep 2018




Many of you have read the Special Jetwire issued by American Airlines regarding our negotiations. If you don’t read anything else in this bulletin, read this:

Beware of any negotiations propaganda issued by the Company. It contains partial examples, misleading statements and outright wrong information.

It is true that your negotiating team has reached tentative agreements on many good improvements for our joint collective bargaining agreements. However, American has not just given those out of the kindness of their heart – they were hard won by the tenacity of your negotiators and, most importantly, you deserve them!

American paints the picture that all you will ever need is right there in their proposal just for the taking. What they don’t tell you is that you would have to agree to concede vast amounts of work you are doing today. You would give up the better and less costly healthcare options ALREADY WON AND PAID FOR through bankruptcy. You would suffer less in retirement value that already exists in our Association and you would have to take less than other American Airlines employee groups. And, you would have to agree to wages that can fall below industry standards during the life of the agreement.

Things American will not tell you is that they demand to allow unlimited fleet work performed today to shift to vendors. They want you to concede scheduled line maintenance work by almost doubling the amount of that work performed outside of the United States from what is done today. They want overhaul maintenance to concede over 2,200 jobs during the life of the agreement. And, they want to shrink the facilities maintenance work to a mere skeleton of what the Association performs today.

Sisters and Brothers, these are CONCESSIONS!

Our members invested in our airlines through our bankruptcy contributions. We are the reason these carriers and this management were able to merge American Airlines and US Airways into the biggest airline in the world. It is now a carrier that is more profitable than it has been in its entire combined past history. It is an airline predicted to never lose money again. We deserve to keep what we bring to the table today in the form of the work we do, the benefits we have and the security we need.

Our proposals seek to allow our membership to grow as the Company grows. We deserve to share in the prosperity we make. We deserve to be rewarded for our sacrifices. Our proposals are reasonable and don’t overreach.

To the contrary, American has chosen this time to be greedy and demand that we continue to give back. They believe they can bribe us into concessions we would have to live with for the rest of our careers.

To that we say, hell no!

One more thing – American can begin the early out today. There is no need to wait.

Michael G. Klemm
President/Directing General Chair
District Lodge 141

Dave Supplee
President/Directing General Chair
District Lodge 142

 

[ALUS78]

we're in a battle? this mediator step won't help, unless we back off or the company backs off. either way, we're losing jobs (twu - AMT will take a hit & iam) and lus/iam will lose their insurance. in exchange for something greater than proposed by jetnet films?? .50 cents more on DOS?

we're better off going straight to an arbitrator, where we'll lose jobs anyways, as in the 1st hurdle scenario, but the arbitrator can open up aa and get us some real profit sharing.

to me, this is what aa fears and i doubt they will allow themselves to get opened up by an arbitrator. so, hold firm and the company may give in on some scope.

the thing is, we won't hold firm. all twu up for election in the next year will be voted out.

Cream do you really want to go to arbitration knowing we have 40,000 more employees then a comparable airline?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ill simply respond to this as Not True as usual. Keep trying to deceive Mr Chameleon.

oh yes you did. you said abr and bagroom. But all you do is lie.
The question remains, who is the Executive negotiation team, and is the iam pension projected critical. Members wanna know.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nor sure who you are, but I assume by the post your LAA. I am here for everyone, but I also have a job to do for the IAM members. Again I can not and will not vote to put out any agreement until it is at least cost positive to the members I represent.

its not your call. Read the constitution. You only get a vote on a TA. The offer at least needs to be disclosed. Even if you refuse to get member consent, you clowns need to disclose the offer because most of us dont buy conspiracies.

 

[AANOTOK]

Thanks P. REZ, you just gave a bit of validity to my last two comments.

 

[ALUS78]

With all due respect my friend; I believe the where and when directed push, is a harder stance in negotiations by the company, due to their frustration with the lack of movement on other issues. Sabre rattling. They are posturing themselves to be seen as bargaining in good faith in front of the mediator. The question is how will the mediator view the Association's posture? I have stated in the past; priority one should be the preservation of work and jobs. Not the preservation of the LUS insurance and the IAM pension. I believe the focus on preserving everything, although noble is unattainable. I doubt a mediator will see it much different. With all due respect CB; the mediator will expect to see movement, from both parties, to a middle ground. You know this.

The mediator cant force anything.

Ill simply respond to this as Not True as usual. Keep trying to deceive Mr Chameleon.

CB in your opinion a mediator tends to favor who? It was once explained to me as the mediator is your uncle trying to make peace between you and your cousin..Your uncle being your cousins father. Also didnt we have a mediator at our talks at one point?

 

[Tim Nelson]

COMPANY PROPAGANDA
13 Sep 2018




Many of you have read the Special Jetwire issued by American Airlines regarding our negotiations. If you don’t read anything else in this bulletin, read this:

Beware of any negotiations propaganda issued by the Company. It contains partial examples, misleading statements and outright wrong information.

It is true that your negotiating team has reached tentative agreements on many good improvements for our joint collective bargaining agreements. However, American has not just given those out of the kindness of their heart – they were hard won by the tenacity of your negotiators and, most importantly, you deserve them!

American paints the picture that all you will ever need is right there in their proposal just for the taking. What they don’t tell you is that you would have to agree to concede vast amounts of work you are doing today. You would give up the better and less costly healthcare options ALREADY WON AND PAID FOR through bankruptcy. You would suffer less in retirement value that already exists in our Association and you would have to take less than other American Airlines employee groups. And, you would have to agree to wages that can fall below industry standards during the life of the agreement.

Things American will not tell you is that they demand to allow unlimited fleet work performed today to shift to vendors. They want you to concede scheduled line maintenance work by almost doubling the amount of that work performed outside of the United States from what is done today. They want overhaul maintenance to concede over 2,200 jobs during the life of the agreement. And, they want to shrink the facilities maintenance work to a mere skeleton of what the Association performs today.

Sisters and Brothers, these are CONCESSIONS!

Our members invested in our airlines through our bankruptcy contributions. We are the reason these carriers and this management were able to merge American Airlines and US Airways into the biggest airline in the world. It is now a carrier that is more profitable than it has been in its entire combined past history. It is an airline predicted to never lose money again. We deserve to keep what we bring to the table today in the form of the work we do, the benefits we have and the security we need.

Our proposals seek to allow our membership to grow as the Company grows. We deserve to share in the prosperity we make. We deserve to be rewarded for our sacrifices. Our proposals are reasonable and don’t overreach.

To the contrary, American has chosen this time to be greedy and demand that we continue to give back. They believe they can bribe us into concessions we would have to live with for the rest of our careers.

To that we say, hell no!

One more thing – American can begin the early out today. There is no need to wait.

Michael G. Klemm
President/Directing General Chair
District Lodge 141

Dave Supplee
President/Directing General Chair
District Lodge 142

yaawwwnnnn .
Really Prez? Another working class hero letter that says the same union rhetoric over and over and claims unlimited contracting out?

For a moment, lets say this is true. Then we shouldnt have to take Klemms word for it, right?

We deserve better. Show us the proposal. Whats the fuss? If what Klemm is saying is true, then why is he hiding the offer?

Something is wrong and we have to find out what is going on.

 

[ALUS78]

yaawwwnnnn .
Really Prez? Another working class hero letter that says the same union rhetoric over and over and claims unlimited contracting out?

For a moment, lets say this is true. Then we shouldnt have to take Klemms word for it, right?

We deserve better. Show us the proposal. Whats the fuss? If what Klemm is saying is true, then why is he hiding the offer?

Something is wrong and we have to find out what is going on.

Tim I'm not to happy with the company's high lite sheet.Im thinking the fine print would make it worse

 

[charlie Brown]

With all due respect my friend; I believe the where and when directed push, is a harder stance in negotiations by the company, due to their frustration with the lack of movement on other issues. Sabre rattling. They are posturing themselves to be seen as bargaining in good faith in front of the mediator. The question is how will the mediator view the Association's posture? I have stated in the past; priority one should be the preservation of work and jobs. Not the preservation of the LUS insurance and the IAM pension. I believe the focus on preserving everything, although noble is unattainable. I doubt a mediator will see it much different. With all due respect CB; the mediator will expect to see movement, from both parties, to a middle ground. You know this.

A mediator as you know can not force you to do anything, except when and where and how long you’ll negotiate. At any rate. If we brought out the current company offer and it passed ( which many believe it would) it then really wouldn’t matter if the company is bluffing now would it?

 

[Talos]

I'm sorry CB, but I cringe every time I see you say I have a job to do for the IAM members. Again to me, it;s two unions acting as one (strength in numbers) but fighting for different things, Might just be one, but here we are in section 6.

That's the problem with the Association. It is not one group negotiating. It is 2 groups associated with each other each with different deals. They have to account to their members. The TWU let this happen without a vote and the members are the ones who lose. Maybe that's why you don't hear much from the TWU. And the company played it to the hilt. What a shite sandwich.

 

[ograc]

I think as part of that middle ground we should seriously consider giving up a few smaller cities then. That way the Hubs can keep all of their work and maybe we can even get an improvement over the current Company wage offer?

Does that sound like a reasonable middle ground to you ograc?

Always about sacrificing smaller stations. Has been in the past. If LAA insurance is a must have for the company how about a "me too" clause for Fleet and Maintenance concerning LAA insurance. If any other represented group on LAA property gains improvements to medical we get it too. Does that seem like a reasonable middle ground to you WeAAsles? Your middle ground proposal still gives away work and jobs. Nice try. Not taking your bait.

 

[charlie Brown]

I'm sorry CB, but I cringe every time I see you say I have a job to do for the IAM members. Again to me, it;s two unions acting as one (strength in numbers) but fighting for different things, Might just be one, but here we are in section 6.

I understand you saying that I do. But I would feel and say the same thing for the twu members if the roles were reversed. If it was concessionary for the twu side, I would be just as adamant about not bringing it out. The post only means that it is still concessionary for the IAM side. Good play on the company’s part, but they can easily present a cost positive contract for both sides if they truly wanted something voted on by the members.