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Hey if you look down the road you might notice that your AMT counterparts at SWA represented by AMFA passed 6 (SIX) years now. And it looks like they’re going to vote down their last offer so maybe many more years are going to pass before they’re ever satisfied?

Kind of makes it hard for your drive if the group you once loved sucks big Donkey balls.



The BLS takes into account all individuals employed in a particular “profession.”

Just because we’re all “LUCKY” enough to have made it to the Major League is irrelevant.

You could easily still be toiling away at Piedmont earning $14.00 per hour (The BLS average for Baggage Porter)
btw weez, exactly how are you guys going to get the company to toss in even more? Stockholders may tolerate parker offering us what he did but he isnt going to put his job on the line when this company is already wobbling.
He sold to the company to give groups more for labor peace but the stews are furious and the association wants us to attack.
 
btw weez, exactly how are you guys going to get the company to toss in even more? Stockholders may tolerate parker offering us what he did but he isnt going to put his job on the line when this company is already wobbling.
He sold to the company to give groups more for labor peace but the stews are furious and the association wants us to attack.

I’m sorry “Mr” Nelson but I’m really not interested any longer in your daily 30 or so ranting postings here on Forums any longer.

We’re going into a new direction of talks and you really are inconsequential outside of those who enjoy stirring you up for the goof, lark and laughs.

Al should be along to poke you momentarily.
 
Hey if you look down the road you might notice that your AMT counterparts at SWA represented by AMFA passed 6 (SIX) years now. And it looks like they’re going to vote down their last offer so maybe many more years are going to pass before they’re ever satisfied?

Kind of makes it hard for your drive if the group you once loved sucks big Donkey balls.



The BLS takes into account all individuals employed in a particular “profession.”

Just because we’re all “LUCKY” enough to have made it to the Major League is irrelevant.

You could easily still be toiling away at Piedmont earning $14.00 per hour (The BLS average for Baggage Porter)
But AMFA is fighting the good fight and thanks to their lies that American AMTs are going to $55 an hour in January. Instead of going to $54 and hour as a lead, I will stay at $46.77, and lose my $56,000 in backpay but by golly they are doing a better job , than your evil association. Go Figure ! 🙂
 
Uh maybe if you guys hadn’t been engaging in your eh eh eh “By the Book” initiative the Company wouldn’t have felt compelled to ask the Association what they could do to “settle it down”?

It was actually you guys who were the starving dogs unfortunately.

But c’mon seriously. Are you really going to complain about the money you’ve been making the last two years or would you REALLY prefer we were still waiting?

No complaint about being given the industry average raise as they did it to groups with JCBAs in place that didn't give them anything for it.
It's hard to say what may have transpired if our leverage was not given up, could have a sweet deal now or still be waiting.
 
Three years of negotiations, section 6 coming next, mediation to follow. Me too clauses for all three groups, two unions and so on and so on. This is not going to go quickly and it's not going to turn out good for the membership if it gets to arbitration. God forbid. M&E needs to separate asap before we become collateral damage of the associations greed.
I would hope, after seeing the proposals, that this asso. does not agree to mediation in sec 6 this early. Way too many items left open. Way too many differences from both sides, it would NOT be good for the entire membership. Get as many articles T/A'd as possible with only a minimum left to go into mediation. IMO a mediator would simply pick and choose to go LAA or LUS way of doing things and having a third party do that is suicidal.

Mediation could be a long process. I don't think the process needs to start from scratch. Since there are a majority of articles T/A'd, it is possible he or she can pick up on the major sticking issues. Whatever transpires, it is just mediation NOT arbitration.
You don't have to start all over, however, I will almost guarantee you the company will take full advantage of stalling further by opening them all up, just like our company did here in order to stall out over the 5 year pay freeze they wanted. But you are correct, they (both sides) have the options to leave well enough alone. In our case many of the articles co. wanted to open went straight back to book after months of discussions and going back and forth. All the while the co. never wanted change, just a tactic to stall longer is all.
 
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I was catching up on the post. I seen you were thinking I was avoiding you. Not the case, I was dealing with this storm. So anyway, continue on whatever you were wanting to discuss.
Pretty sure we went long enough. You have now heard from numerous members on here about the lack of information about nego's. We made our point I do believe.
Hope you and yours are safe and sound now. My mistake CB I thought you were back on afterwards answering the others but, there was a day or two that the site was down temp. Sorry for the confusion.
I guess my next question is, why not tell exactly what the co. keep s asking for? Is it so bad that you guys just don't want them to know? We all know the NC would get much more support from the membership if the info was given to them, as in our current case with our voting. By the membership being so well informed before the first week of 4 for voting we already had a 75% no turn out, with over 60% of the membership voting.
Welcome back and I hope you rode out the storm well.
 
Nice cut and paste. Why not show the T/A's language, not just the article title?
We are all big boys and girls and know they are just tentative and can be changed.
GP said it himself at one local meeting that whatever was T/A'd to date is beneficial to the members.

I am FULLY aware they are TENTATIVE and can CHANGE!
But why not show the members them anyway? I am sure the rest of us dues payers understand nothing is set in stone.
GP said it himself that whatever was T/A'd is good for the members.
So why not show us the good work the NC achieved?

mike757 we are included in the buyout but they want the majority of us to go away in time.we are such a small group they pay very little attention to us and it is hard to get much info from either side.
M&M, This is what I was telling CB. Not enough info. They always just listed the article that was T/A'd. They never post what the changes were or are. I honestly think they wanted this way so to confuse and allow most to skim over the changes and miss a lot of changes and info in hopes of getting a yes vote. You guys will have to really read diligently thru the JCBA.
 
I’m sorry “Mr” Nelson but I’m really not interested any longer in your daily 30 or so ranting postings here on Forums any longer.

We’re going into a new direction of talks and you really are inconsequential outside of those who enjoy stirring you up for the goof, lark and laughs.

Al should be along to poke you momentarily.
like it or not, you will hear from me as you are destroying our contract due to personal gain.
Anyone can be irresponsible and insist on $40 and increased scope and lus health care for all.
Who are you going to get to pay for it? The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Sorry weez, i stopped believing in fairy tales when I was 6.
 
WeAAz, all the Association did to get that raise was sign a document!!
Doug threw that out and they jumped on it like starving dogs without even evaluating how it would impact negotiations.
This is when they lost what leverage they had. With that said pay raise the company got what they needed, permission for both sides to work metal with no grievances filed against them. Otherwise they would have been left in a jam, probably would have had all kinds of O/T and down lines out the ying yang in order to keep the birds flying. It really was the only leverage the union would have had to get these nego's done sooner. I foresee now it going 2-3 more years, just guessing.
 
I’m sorry “Mr” Nelson but I’m really not interested any longer in your daily 30 or so ranting postings here on Forums any longer.

We’re going into a new direction of talks and you really are inconsequential outside of those who enjoy stirring you up for the goof, lark and laughs.

Al should be along to poke you momentarily.
Nobody needs to be prodded or poked into pointing our the injustices and incompetence of what is the Association.
 
btw weez, exactly how are you guys going to get the company to toss in even more? Stockholders may tolerate parker offering us what he did but he isnt going to put his job on the line when this company is already wobbling.
He sold to the company to give groups more for labor peace but the stews are furious and the association wants us to attack.
Get even more???? At this point they are trying to get them to take less.We are all going to lose something with this contract.....travesty
 
I’m sorry “Mr” Nelson but I’m really not interested any longer in your daily 30 or so ranting postings here on Forums any longer.

We’re going into a new direction of talks and you really are inconsequential outside of those who enjoy stirring you up for the goof, lark and laughs.

Al should be along to poke you momentarily.
I've heard the words "New direction" before. I pray we get better results with the Weez's version
 
No complaint about being given the industry average raise as they did it to groups with JCBAs in place that didn't give them anything for it.
It's hard to say what may have transpired if our leverage was not given up, could have a sweet deal now or still be waiting.

At the time you got the “wage” raise it was industry leading. Just talking wages and absolutely not benefits.

Would the Company have brought us up too if we had JCBA’s in place? I “think” so but that’s debatable.

I think they would have had more leverage? We would have been down an awful lot of money. I mean honestly look at some of the people that are freakin out on here right now when we already got most of the wages and just imagine.
 
like it or not, you will hear from me as you are destroying our contract due to personal gain.
Anyone can be irresponsible and insist on $40 and increased scope and lus health care for all.
Who are you going to get to pay for it? The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Sorry weez, i stopped believing in fairy tales when I was 6.
Shhhh you are supposed to be a loyal union follower and just do what they tell you to
 
UAL running away from AAL in terms of share price. Currently $50.15 more per share...
 
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