American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

You wouldn’t see the TA’s because they are exactly that...TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS... meaning they could change prior to a full comprehensive TA is voted on.
AS AN EXAMPLE ONLY...... Imagine the discussions/ disagreements etc. that would take place if a TA went out with 7 weeks vacation and when it was all said and done the comprehensive TA had 6 weeks. Something similar could happen in any article that is currently TA’d.

I am FULLY aware they are TENTATIVE and can CHANGE!
But why not show the members them anyway? I am sure the rest of us dues payers understand nothing is set in stone.
GP said it himself that whatever was T/A'd is good for the members.
So why not show us the good work the NC achieved?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am FULLY aware they are TENTATIVE and can CHANGE!
But why not show the members them anyway? I am sure the rest of us dues payers understand nothing is set in stone.
GP said it himself that whatever was T/A'd is good for the members.
So why not show us the good work the NC achieved?

because they are lying. Why are they even talking about it?

 

[Tim Nelson]

700 is out of control on FB saying how Trump is destroying the economy. Others who are on the negotiation committee are commenting as well.

Im sure Uncle Jerry is reading as someone has most likely been monitoring comments by the negotiators and forwarding them to Uncle Jerry.
Our negotiators are dumb. Real dumb. Dont you dummies understand that Uncle Jerry now knows you feel the economy will crash?

Morons. We have morons on our team.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That’s really good to hear you say!! Because you were the one that post on here that you were 100% sure, that if it went to section 6 that we would start all over from square one.
So we really appreciate you deciding to give us 6 months now. Because everything goes exactly as you state. So at least we all know we have 6 months before it starts over, instead of day one like you once said. ( I guess you changed your mind ) And its easy for you to say catering is gone, since obviously it was never offered by the company like you once stated, but, don’t worry, you can change that again also. But keep changing chameleon, your credibility is through the roof!!!

Normal section 6, you start from scrap. If 2 parties agree to engage the expedited process then not so, until the expedited process is exhausted. Ive mentioned this and recognized NYer who said mediation was the likely path.
If you look at the cases (over on the nmb site) it appears this expedited resolution path is relatively new. I cant find any cases where it was engaged prior to the Continental merger.
As it turns out, this merger is following the same path.
Delaney tried with a jcba outside section 6. Then engaged the expedited when the previous path failed. 6 months later, things were exhausted and he had to get new proposals, surveys, etc, although Im sure some of the smaller more non economic articles like bulletin boards, safety might have stayed.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the economy. I, personally think it could sustain, but any wobble will mean less jobs and pay for us since our only leverage is the economy.
From my perspective, i dont think you will get anything added to the table. In fact, Im convinced of it. You obviously disagree and think you will bag more. Im actually pulling for you on that and I hope Im wrong. To be sure, Ive been wrong before. But I dont see any evidence of leverage.

The airline is sorta wobbling as well when compared. Parker isnt in position now to expand mx and toss lus health to everyone and pay us all $40.
If Im wrong about the economy staying the same then we may be looking at pay cuts if company margins deteriorate further.

 

[Tim Nelson]

4 years? Really?

When our contract was signed in 2014 (time is flying), it said that the party would engage in jcba talks.
The 12 month pissing match between the unions didnt help. But its been 4.5 years. And it pretty much looks like its been pissed away. We just kicked the can, thats all we really did other than give Parker his seamless merger for 20 pieces of silver. Unless i missed your comment, im still waiting to hear about all these separate operations that are costing Parker so much money. His seamlessness was granted on the ground but his main focus was to eliminate the metal.

Now he is negotiating from a person of leverage because he offered more than what you recommended at United, and he is saving millions with a bankrupt laa agreement.

 

[Racer X]

The problem comes when the union runs its lip lying saying that the company wants unlimited contracting out. Sure that can change, but if someone is going to verballing tell us that, then if it's not cited or referenced with a document then it's all Bull. BTW, you can toss all of those TA's and start back at zero in about 6 months unless you clowns sign for less, because the company reverted back to its previous offer, which is presented on jetnet. Catering will not be offered ever again. Neither lavs. And grandfather rights will be pulled in the first meeting with the mediator. So you just hosed about 15 stations.

Ok

 

[Racer X]

I am FULLY aware they are TENTATIVE and can CHANGE!
But why not show the members them anyway? I am sure the rest of us dues payers understand nothing is set in stone.
GP said it himself that whatever was T/A'd is good for the members.
So why not show us the good work the NC achieved?

I explained that already. Imagine if the TA’s were all presented. Then when the final JCBA comes out for ratification and there are changes to some articles.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No, you and your hero president are anti-union.

Im not the one hosing workers, our union is. 800 more hosed in ewr. So sad.
And you should hope you are wrong about Uncle Donnie because if you are right then you lost more jobs. Sad.

 

[lax]

700 is out of control on FB saying how Trump is destroying the economy. Others who are on the negotiation committee are commenting as well.

Im sure Uncle Jerry is reading as someone has most likely been monitoring comments by the negotiators and forwarding them to Uncle Jerry.
Our negotiators are dumb. Real dumb. Dont you dummies understand that Uncle Jerry now knows you feel the economy will crash?

Morons. We have morons on our team.

You're kidding? A 5yr old child can see that! Contract 2021 yippee!

 

[title 2]

I don't keep up with this stuff much anymore, do you know if title 2 being offered the buyout like 1 and 3?

mike757 we are included in the buyout but they want the majority of us to go away in time.we are such a small group they pay very little attention to us and it is hard to get much info from either side.

 

[UPNAWAY]

There is a thing called diminishing returns. The union will not get a better deal than they can get right now. Every day will results in you folks getting less not more. As others have mentioned an economic downturn is very likely (overdue) and that weakens your negotiating position substantially. You should be demanding the union go to the company and ask for one last final offer (hopefully close to the pulled one) and the union should guarantee the company it goes to an immediate R&F vote.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nice cut and paste. Why not show the T/A's language, not just the article title?
We are all big boys and girls and know they are just tentative and can be changed.
GP said it himself at one local meeting that whatever was T/A'd to date is beneficial to the members.

C’mon Metal you’ve been told why they don’t put out the complete details of the “tentative” agreements and you just don’t want to accept the answer. Besides the fact in all past Negotiations in the industry I can’t recall any group, be it Pilots, FA’s or even AMFA put out the FULL details until EVERYTHING was ready to go.

BTW why don’t you just say what it is particularly you’re looking for right now? They’re still working on the economics right now and they’ve already talked about the 10 Holidays at Double and a half so are you looking to find out how many “Bulletin Boards” we’re going to be allowed?

 

[WeAAsles]

There is a thing called diminishing returns. The union will not get a better deal than they can get right now. Every day will results in you folks getting less not more. As others have mentioned an economic downturn is very likely (overdue) and that weakens your negotiating position substantially. You should be demanding the union go to the company and ask for one last final offer (hopefully close to the pulled one) and the union should guarantee the company it goes to an immediate R&F vote.

So you’re ok with giving up in Contractual language even more work after we gave at the office in 2003 and in the BK?

How many jobs do you feel “contractually” is ok?

Is it ok to give up all those Facilities Maintenance jobs all over the Country?

Now what about the wage offer? Only 3% above ?. How much is the percentage yearly they want to offer us after that? 1%? 2%? per year?

What happens if that wage makes us fall behind our peers in the life of the Contract with no look back? Are you ok with that?

Does a $3000.00 Bonus over a minimum 5 year deal entice you?

Do you want the Buyout?

 

[John Gotti]

Up is not an association member.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

There is a thing called diminishing returns. The union will not get a better deal than they can get right now. Every day will results in you folks getting less not more. As others have mentioned an economic downturn is very likely (overdue) and that weakens your negotiating position substantially. You should be demanding the union go to the company and ask for one last final offer (hopefully close to the pulled one) and the union should guarantee the company it goes to an immediate R&F vote.

Diminishing Returns is what I define as 30 years of TWU Dues!