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Tim Nelson said:
Listen, you need to stop talking down to people. STOP IT!
You are a nobody who sold out your own members for a potential gig in FLL. Any reasonable person would say that your association buddies have let us all down. Who is on the executive negotiation team? Why can't they even sign their own letters? Why don't they return Danker's phone calls? Why don't they show us the actual offer? Fa NEVER EVER saw the proposal from Uncle Jerry. I know that for a 100% FACT. In fact, I know for a fact that Sito and Sister Alex never showed anyone. Your boy Regan wanted to but was instructed not to by Sister Sito.
Even what Fa referenced is "Old Hat" from an earlier offer far far ago. Our negotiations were all but done until Sito flipped in negotiations and demanded that the IAM Pension be handled 'line item'. That's a fact! And he flipped on other things in negotiations 13 months ago when negotiations were settled until he had his bi polar moment. The company changed its negotiators to Uncle Jerry since then and have only had a few sessions until Uncle Jerry found out that he was negotiating with someone who CLEARLY had interest away from American Airlines.

At any rate, you can do all of your working class hero crap all you want since nobody can stop you, but what you won't do, nor ever do, is bring back anything more than what was offered PRIOR to section 6. That is when I pulled my support from this miserable association, i.e., when they lied, including Mr Baskett, about having us vote on a JCBA prior to section 6. What is likely to happen is that the offer will almost certainly be less and all of the small stations will not get contracted out thanks to you and Mr Baskett (BTW< he also lost catering now). Morons, we have morons on our team.

Of course, consider all of the above as 3rd hand hearsay.
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Ah....the disclaimer is back!!!
 
Tim Nelson said:
All lies you spew. The when and where directed had nothing to do with any current scope. NOTHING. Uncle Jerry went in with the final offer and offered ALL current scope at ALL stations to close out a deal. It was a helluva deal but it was inclusive of getting out of the IAM pension and LAA insurance. Sito didn't give a **** about LUS insurance and that was NOT the problem, but he wanted to line item the IAM Pension. I can't be sure, but I believe the conversation was brief and went something like this, Uncle Jerry "ARE YOU F'KING OUT OF YOUR MIND?" "I JUST OFFERED YOU AN INDUSTRY LEADING CONTRACT AND YOU SAID NO?". "F YOU SITO, YOU WILL SEE ME IN SECTION 6 AND THERE WILL BE HELL FIRE TO PAY BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS PROTECTION AGAIN.....YOU HEAR ME, F YOU.....NEVER AGAIN."

To be sure, Alex stood down and would have taken the offer but we all know that sister Alex is submissive in the beta role to his hero.

all of the above should be taken as 3rd hand hearsay
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The disclaimer!!!!
 
PIEDMONT784 said:
Dividing us? What a f-ing joke! This is coming from the same dude that has claimed the IAM should go, the Association should go etc. The same dude that for decades has claimed ALL union leadership is inadequate, and stupid.

The irony here is EVERYONE knows your deal. You may get a few of your puppet posters to defend you, but the membership knows better. The collective IQ prevails over your agenda!

Another thing... Weeaz and 700 both flush more credibility down the toilet daily than you have accumulated in a lifetime...

>SPIT<
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Those two you mentioned have "Credibility" that is flushed down the Toilet?
 
AANOTOK said:
In would agree with you, I think Cozy wrote it as well.
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I am not sure why but now that B737 has been scolded again, he will adhere basically to those items you mentioned, but cannot help himself.
He will attack swamt. I too wish he would be honest when he commits to stop picking a fight.
 
Buck said:
I am not sure why but now that B737 has been scolded again, he will adhere basically to those items you mentioned, but cannot help himself.
He will attack swamt. I too wish he would be honest when he commits to stop picking a fight.
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driver is not the issue and you know it. He counters the nonsense your friend from the other airline likes to spew out here. You “only” like the other guy because he supports your (dead) agenda.

So driver is just the counterbalance to the person you accept cluttering these threads. And he’s welcome by me.
 
dfw gen said:
hey racer when is the FULL NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE going to start supporting the membership? any time the iam feels like they want to join the fight feel free.
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I understand that you truly have no idea what is actually happening...I don’t hold it against you.
 
Racer X said:
I understand that you truly have no idea what is actually happening...I don’t hold it against you.
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i must not. fill us in what is happening? from what we are being told the iam has graciously agreed to financially support the protest, but not show up. please do fill us in.again when will the full negotiating committee support the membership? or is just the ostrich defense? please do fill us in. unfortunately 70% of the membership has no idea whats going on.
 
Racer X said:
I understand that you truly have no idea what is actually happening...I don’t hold it against you.
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I have to disagree with you Racer. I think most at LAA have a real good feel for what is happening. The word union basically means doing things jointly as a group. The nature of this situation with very difficult issues for the different unions makes it really hard to act as one group. One thing for sure is the company enjoys an advantage with this. I think mgmt has blown a bunch of smoke up peoples arses with their promises. I don't blame the IAM for their position. I don't really expect anything out of them since it does them no good. I blame the TWU for their bogus business choices, which is not the LUS peoples problem. The LAA people do know what is happening.
 
Talos said:
I have to disagree with you Racer. I think most at LAA have a real good feel for what is happening. The word union basically means doing things jointly as a group. The nature of this situation with very difficult issues for the different unions makes it really hard to act as one group. One thing for sure is the company enjoys an advantage with this. I think mgmt has blown a bunch of smoke up peoples arses with their promises. I don't blame the IAM for their position. I don't really expect anything out of them since it does them no good. I blame the TWU for their bogus business choices, which is not the LUS peoples problem. The LAA people do know what is happening.
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“I think mgmt has blown a bunch of smoke up peoples arses with their promises”
 
WeAAsles said:
driver is not the issue and you know it. He counters the nonsense your friend from the other airline likes to spew out here. You “only” like the other guy because he supports your (dead) agenda.

So driver is just the counterbalance to the person you accept cluttering these threads. And he’s welcome by me.
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I just say the reality of our situation, Swamt little cronies like to attack me on the SWA threads why he tries to point a rosey picture of AMFA.
 
Talos said:
I have to disagree with you Racer. I think most at LAA have a real good feel for what is happening. The word union basically means doing things jointly as a group. The nature of this situation with very difficult issues for the different unions makes it really hard to act as one group. One thing for sure is the company enjoys an advantage with this. I think mgmt has blown a bunch of smoke up peoples arses with their promises. I don't blame the IAM for their position. I don't really expect anything out of them since it does them no good. I blame the TWU for their bogus business choices, which is not the LUS peoples problem. The LAA people do know what is happening.
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Now thats nonsence, why form an association? Surely not to be partners for a greatet good.
Shh theres a lot going on behind the scenes.
 
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B737 driver said:
I just say the reality of our situation, Swamt little cronies like to attack me on the SWA threads why he tries to point a rosey picture of AMFA.
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Sometimes I get a little rough on these guys when they just want to vote on something. Depending on their behaviors sometimes I could be wrong to criticize them. Just not a fan of the pushiness they like to exhibit too often for my tastes.

You’re treated the same way by these people (And some SWA posters) for not being a blinded sheep for the Union that represents you just like these people don’t want to support there’s at all.

I don’t like that your AMFA didn’t put out the vote counts though and it just proves without a doubt that they’re no different than what every other Union (TWU, IAM, IBT) is accused of being.

They’re run by people, not Saints or glorified Angels. And people are all miserably flawed.
 
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