American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[swamt]

Not looking to argue any person’s personal retirement preference. I understand the arguments for and against both. I was just clarifying the pension language. Nothing more.

I know racer. I wasn't throwing my anger at you, just angered at the pensions ran by unions is all. The same with the teamsters pensions over at UPS and UAL. They too have the long list of restrictive employers and industry restrictions of certain jobs as well.
Life happens man. I got 3 guys right now at work in their 80's because they are now forced to work for the rest of their lives in order to keep the medical either for dependants, themselves or their spouses. And yes I did say 'dependants" for an 80 plus year old. It does happen and is happening in 2 cases I know of. When you are forced to be the sole caregiver of young grandchildren, you just inherited another 14-18 years of medical coverage all over again as well as college tuitions too.
We also just had a guy with a brand new baby girl at age 65 with younger wifey, so he too will be staying in the work field into his 80's as well.
So if these guys were due a pension they would not be able to pull from it per the restrictions in place, but they dam sure don't want to give up that 1ooK plus yearly income soon going to around 120-125K. They couldn't leave this industry and retain anything close to that starting all over outside of the restrictive field these pensions say you have to do in order to keep the pension payments coming in. So freakin sad and pathetic...

 

[Tim Nelson]

https://news.delta.com/delta-insour...ort-ramp-operations-austin-and-raleigh-durham

 

[Tim Nelson]

delta insourcing aus and rdu

 

[WeAAsles]

Dear APFA Members,

Today we noticed the Company of our intent to commence bargaining, triggering the provision in our contract (Section 40) for early openers one year prior to the amendable date of the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA), which is December 13, 2018.

We are proud to announce our fully seated negotiating committee and professional consultants:

APFA National Negotiators: Timothy Legeros, Kelly Hagan, Brian Morgan, Sara Corrigan, Mario St. Michel and Monica Wilfong. Our Professionals: Daniel Akins, Economist; Susannah Bender, Attorney; Susan French, Negotiator Consultant and Phillips & Richard, Attorneys. We will retain other professionals, firms and subject matter specialists as needed during the process.

All Unions on AA’s property are committed to supporting us during our bargaining process and we, in turn, will support them.

We have a lot of work ahead of us. With the strength of our 27,000 members we are confident that we will bargain the contract we deserve.

In Unity,

 

[Rogallo]

delta insourcing aus and rdu

As AA looks to outsource. WTF AA?

 

[swamt]

As AA looks to outsource. WTF AA?

Yup...

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Dear APFA Members,

Today we noticed the Company of our intent to commence bargaining, triggering the provision in our contract (Section 40) for early openers one year prior to the amendable date of the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA), which is December 13, 2018.

We are proud to announce our fully seated negotiating committee and professional consultants:

APFA National Negotiators: Timothy Legeros, Kelly Hagan, Brian Morgan, Sara Corrigan, Mario St. Michel and Monica Wilfong. Our Professionals: Daniel Akins, Economist; Susannah Bender, Attorney; Susan French, Negotiator Consultant and Phillips & Richard, Attorneys. We will retain other professionals, firms and subject matter specialists as needed during the process.

All Unions on AA’s property are committed to supporting us during our bargaining process and we, in turn, will support them.

We have a lot of work ahead of us. With the strength of our 27,000 members we are confident that we will bargain the contract we deserve.

In Unity,

Well, well, well, would you look at that. APFA has hired professionals to assist in their negotiations. An economist, attorneys and negotiator consultant. Sit back and watch how its done fellas.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well, well, well, would you look at that. APFA has hired professionals to assist in their negotiations. An economist, attorneys and negotiator consultant. Sit back and watch how its done fellas.

The IAM and TWU also have all of those on staff and retained professionals working for them as well. If you have any doubts just go look at the LM2’s and note the many different individuals and businesses that receive payments.

 

[B737 driver]

Well, well, well, would you look at that. APFA has hired professionals to assist in their negotiations. An economist, attorneys and negotiator consultant. Sit back and watch how its done fellas.

We had our consultants, but mainly mechanics. If you looked at some at ours at the negotiating committee, most hadn't been at SWA that long. I am sure APFA will be faster than us maybe, unless they have the same consultants.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

https://news.delta.com/delta-insour...ort-ramp-operations-austin-and-raleigh-durham

They are insourcing but it's still ready reserve.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The IAM and TWU also have all of those on staff and retained professionals working for them as well. If you have any doubts just go look at the LM2’s and note the many different individuals and businesses that receive payments.

I do not doubt you Weez. However I can not recall hearing anything from these professionals nor about any of their participation in these talks.

 

[swamt]

Well, well, well, would you look at that. APFA has hired professionals to assist in their negotiations. An economist, attorneys and negotiator consultant. Sit back and watch how its done fellas.

That is how it is done. Great move by APFA.
What is sad when our union hired all the specialist, attorneys as well as nego professionals and the economist AMFA got slammed for wasting all the dues money by all the AMFA haters (teamster lovers). To this day there are some on here that still say the union is just throws it's money away with the Seham attorneys. The reality of it is that AMFA uses their attorneys to better represent the membership. They were used
to the teamsters just letting everything go in the past.
The economist was the biggie in ours proving the company wrong many times and showing them exactly WHY we were asking for what we were asking and he also showed how un-greedy and well deserved the asks were, not just pulling numbers out of the sky sort of speak.
Good move by APFA, money well spent on the memberships issues indeed...

 

[Kev3188]

They are insourcing but it's still ready reserve.

Not entirely. RDU will start with ~70FT spots, and AUS will start with ~30FT. Any Ready Reserve spots will be on top of that.

DL may have an ulterior motive here, but in the meantime, this is good news for us at the Widget, and is looooong overdue.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The IAM and TWU also have all of those on staff and retained professionals working for them as well. If you have any doubts just go look at the LM2’s and note the many different individuals and businesses that receive payments.

years ago, i remember being told our 'money-guy' was a twu guy out of sfo, conley, i believe.

i applaud the F/As for an economist, because the last ever contract we got that lasted it's natural duration was 1995, and the company hoodwinked us.

we got meager raises, we lost 1 week vc and the company got jr. fsc....and the company knew that everyone and their mother would be flying in a booming economy.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

company lost a FAA dispute over cuba with southwest...company is now in a fight with united over china flights 'dormant' out of ord.

at the same time, united, which earned more money than us in the last quarter, wants to fly a 2nd ewr-pvg...with a 777-300, not a 787.

this, after aa complained how jet fuel prices made ord-asia a loser. united has 90 flights a week to china and they earned more money than us. japan airlines will double it's nrt-ord flights next summer.

aa is the only airline that can't make money to asia?

the america west/us air big shooters show us all the time they may be in over their heads.