American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[bob@las-AA]

With the garbage pos contract offer by DP and yesterday announcing by Trump the US pulling out of iran deal ant help but wonder whatkind of "new offer" would be made esp ifoil n fuel rise? Secondly would DL n UA seek cuts and how wld WN respond?

The offer from the company does have a hint of trimming of the fat, and some would consider it concessionary, but I will tell yo this, it is a excellent deal and if enough pressure is applied on the association, the members of the TWU could start enjoying what the IAM has been enjoying ever since the merger was initiated.

 

[bob@las-AA]

everyone in the airline business wants $48 oil forever.

the company has stated they can be profitable with much higher oil prices and just last week, dl announced it's raises and better financial incentives for it's ready reserve. like dl doesn't know that oil is currently rising?

being afraid and voting yes for the 1st thing on the table plays into the company's hands. in 2008, there really weren't any cards to play against $140 oil.

now, we can wait a bit for fares to catch up and for the frackers/shale oil to ramp up production again.

Your statement is complete rubbish. We should have had a contract 2 years ago. Now you are saying you want to wait a few years till the economy to stabilize?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

where did i say we should wait a few years? i said wait a bit, and the fares will catch up (increase margins) and the frackers & shale production will ramp up.

waiting for fares to catch up, that's what parker also said. so, you believe parker 100% about the contract, but you must think he's lying about not being pessimistic about oil? which one is it?

if you have 10 years seniority, you were hired when oil was at $140/barrel. the world doesn't end at $100 oil or $140 oil.

you were also saying that the raises we got in august of 2016 might push the company into another bk?

you seem to get nervous every time the company gives us something or when the union is looking for enhancements. why so nervous?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Your statement is complete rubbish. We should have had a contract 2 years ago. Now you are saying you want to wait a few years till the economy to stabilize?

so, how dumb is delta announcing raises and enhancing financials for it's ready reserve last week??

like dl doesn't know that oil has been rising?

 

[Steve Walegir]

The offer from the company does have a hint of trimming of the fat, and some would consider it concessionary, but I will tell yo this, it is a excellent deal and if enough pressure is applied on the association, the members of the TWU could start enjoying what the IAM has been enjoying ever since the merger was initiated.

I personally would hold off calling it an excellent deal until you've seen the entire contract and not just the icing on the cake. Or are you prepared to eat a manure cake because it has buttercream on it. Not saying it is bad, not saying it's good. I'm saying a used car salesman will tell you only what he needs to to sell you the lemon on the lot. I as I'm sure all would like to see the entire proposal before making an opinion if it's worth voting on. But my representatives who have seen the entire deal think it's still the lemon on the lot.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

the company made more money in 2015 than in it's entire existence. the company is saying when all the dust settles, it will earn on average $5 billion a year.

despite all this, we have some defeatism. now, oil is the bogeyman.

did some call the company's offer 'an excellent deal'?

.24 cent raise on DOS?

 

[The Prophet]

The offer from the company does have a hint of trimming of the fat, and some would consider it concessionary, but I will tell yo this, it is a excellent deal and if enough pressure is applied on the association, the members of the TWU could start enjoying what the IAM has been enjoying ever since the merger was initiated.

They were enjoying it before the merger.

Bob the junior guy who never took concessions.

The job you want to vote away is your own

 

[AANOTOK]

They were enjoying it before the merger.

Bob the junior guy who never took concessions.

The job you want to vote away is your own

Should I say "Welcome Back" or just "Welcome"...

 

[NYer]

i liked the twu campaign about shipping jobs out of the country worked pretty well. And that's a theme that is easily exposed.

During the BK the TWU was partnered with the ITF and other Oneworld Alliance airlines unionized labor groups and that was one of the topics (foreign maintenance bases) that was brought to a worldwide audience. Our colleagues in Australia had their Qantas planes serviced in order countries, like China. He shared with us and at a press conference in the Washington DC Press Club, that in China they use prisoners to work on planes.

 

[NYer]

everyone in the airline business wants $48 oil forever.

the company has stated they can be profitable with much higher oil prices and just last week, dl announced it's raises and better financial incentives for it's ready reserve. like dl doesn't know that oil is currently rising?

being afraid and voting yes for the 1st thing on the table plays into the company's hands. in 2008, there really weren't any cards to play against $140 oil.

now, we can wait a bit for fares to catch up and for the frackers/shale oil to ramp up production again.

US oil production is at record levels.

 

[NYer]

so, how dumb is delta announcing raises and enhancing financials for it's ready reserve last week??

like dl doesn't know that oil has been rising?

DL has the ability to adjust on the fly if the economy softens. Except for their pilots, they have the flexibility to change any cost structure they have, if they choose to do so.

 

[swamt]

I personally would hold off calling it an excellent deal until you've seen the entire contract and not just the icing on the cake. Or are you prepared to eat a manure cake because it has buttercream on it. Not saying it is bad, not saying it's good. I'm saying a used car salesman will tell you only what he needs to to sell you the lemon on the lot. I as I'm sure all would like to see the entire proposal before making an opinion if it's worth voting on. But my representatives who have seen the entire deal think it's still the lemon on the lot.

Clearly he is not informed.

the company made more money in 2015 than in it's entire existence. the company is saying when all the dust settles, it will earn on average $5 billion a year.

despite all this, we have some defeatism. now, oil is the bogeyman.

did some call the company's offer 'an excellent deal'?

.24 cent raise on DOS?

Yes. Bob did. He called it an excellent deal at that. I do believe he is the only one that has claimed it to be an excellent deal. Not even the weez has called it that, but I do see why bob did. He's just a yes man in general...

 

[NYer]

the company made more money in 2015 than in it's entire existence. the company is saying when all the dust settles, it will earn on average $5 billion a year.

despite all this, we have some defeatism. now, oil is the bogeyman.

did some call the company's offer 'an excellent deal'?

.24 cent raise on DOS?

With the DL raise, which get them getting closer to UA rates, it would be closer to .93 cents. (not counting premiums and differentials)

 

[CremaDiLimone]

US oil production is at record levels.

it is..and with opec cutting their's, doesn't mean the usa can't increase it's production.

the keys for the frackers/shale are technology and oil prices.

i've bought into the oil revolution. who cares? i get it.

parker and co. have also bought into it. that's significant, as it's one of the pillars of their $5 billion per year mantra.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

With the DL raise, which get them getting closer to UA rates, it would be closer to .93 cents. (not counting premiums and differentials)

that's with the recent 3% added in.

we were talking about the excellent offer made by the company, prior to dl's announcement.

you bring up differential, many at ua, with their differential, currently earn more per hour than aa. ua is the 4th most profitable airline?

.93 cents on DOS is still unacceptable to me.