American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Racer X]

This is true. If I would have only known in the 7th grade what path my career would take, I probably would have quite then.

I could be wrong, but I think it’s in the neighborhood of 16000, somebody correct me please.

I think the number is approx 13,000 combined.
9,800 Twu
3,200 IAM

 

[Racer X]

With raises due to UA and DL this year, 3% above them would be either $31.97 or $32.16.

Not $0.22

Nyer... don’t forget that 3% was when delta was at 30.13. How can you be certain that Parker and Isom will still say delta plus 3 after the Delta increase? Recent history shows that they reneged everytime they said similar things when united or delta got a wage increase.

 

[NYer]

Nyer... don’t forget that 3% was when delta was at 30.13. How can you be certain that Parker and Isom will still say delta plus 3 after the Delta increase? Recent history shows that they reneged everytime they said similar things when united or delta got a wage increase.

The one thing that has not been an issue throughout negotiations in this merger, with any group, has been giving raises.

Odds are it will be 3% above UA, as I've shared on these pages.

The famous DL +7% comment was made in late 2015. Shortly after DL announced a 14.5% raise. In August 2016, we received a 24% raise, so we ended up in better position than what was intended when the DL +7% was made.

If they reneged we wouldn't currently be ahead of them.

 

[Racer X]

The one thing that has not been an issue throughout negotiations in this merger, with any group, has been giving raises.

Odds are it will be 3% above UA, as I've shared on these pages.

The famous DL +7% comment was made in late 2015. Shortly after DL announced a 14.5% raise. In August 2016, we received a 24% raise, so we ended up in better position than what was intended when the DL +7% was made.

If they reneged we wouldn't currently be ahead of them.

You are mixing the two. They changed everytime. They said Deltaor UA plus 7. Then they got a raise. Then it was delta or UA plus 4. then they got a raise. So Then it was “ we need to be on par with delta or Ua. When we got our raises in the interim Wage agreement it was at UA plus 1%.. so while I agree with the 24% it still was a Reneg on both the Plus 7 and Plus 4 talk.
So now I’m saying that the company stated DL plus 3%. Now DL announced a raise. History absolutely shows that AA has reneged in similar situations.

 

[NYer]

You are mixing the two. They changed everytime. They said Deltaor UA plus 7. Then they got a raise. Then it was delta or UA plus 4. then they got a raise. So Then it was “ we need to be on par with delta or Ua. When we got our raises in the interim Wage agreement it was at UA plus 1%.. so while I agree with the 24% it still was a Reneg on both the Plus 7 and Plus 4 talk.
So now I’m saying that the company stated DL plus 3%. Now DL announced a raise. History absolutely shows that AA has reneged in similar situations.

December 2014: The APFA had ratified their JCBA and were due to get a 6% raise. The LAA gave them a 4% raise on top of that 6% which brought them to 7% ahead of Delta.

That extra 4% was offered to all groups when they reached a JCBA.

January 2015: The APA ratified their JCBA, which included an additional 4% from what they agreed to for a total of 23%. That raise also brought them to 7% ahead of Delta.

September 2015: Delta announces they will give their employees a 14.5% raise in April 2016.

April 2016: Due to the Delta raise, the APA received an out of contract raise of 8%. The APFA received an out of contract raise of 5%.

August 2016: The TWU and the IAM (Fleet) receive a 24% raise (which included the 4% the other unions received in late 2014 and into 2015), outside of a contract, which brings us to top of industry in base wages.

The circumstances and the numbers changed but the outcome, so far, has been to keep up with the wage changes at other airlines even if it has been outside of a CBA process. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be 3% above UA.

Reneged would be, in my opinion, if there were no raises. If we would have received the 4% in 2014 and if they would have brought us to 7% ahead of Delta in 2015 we still would have needed another raise in August of 2016 to be where we are now. So, it seems we have benefited as well as all the other unions in the realm of base wages.

 

[Racer X]

December 2014: The APFA had ratified their JCBA and were due to get a 6% raise. The LAA gave them a 4% raise on top of that 6% which brought them to 7% ahead of Delta.

That extra 4% was offered to all groups when they reached a JCBA.

January 2015: The APA ratified their JCBA, which included an additional 4% from what they agreed to for a total of 23%. That raise also brought them to 7% ahead of Delta.

September 2015: Delta announces they will give their employees a 14.5% raise in April 2016.

April 2016: Due to the Delta raise, the APA received an out of contract raise of 8%. The APFA received an out of contract raise of 5%.

August 2016: The TWU and the IAM (Fleet) receive a 24% raise (which included the 4% the other unions received in late 2014 and into 2015), outside of a contract, which brings us to top of industry in base wages.

The circumstances and the numbers changed but the outcome, so far, has been to keep up with the wage changes at other airlines even if it has been outside of a CBA process. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be 3% above UA.

Reneged would be, in my opinion, if there were no raises. If we would have received the 4% in 2014 and if they would have brought us to 7% ahead of Delta in 2015 we still would have needed another raise in August of 2016 to be where we are now. So, it seems we have benefited as well as all the other unions in the realm of base wages.

Even with all of that said....By definition renege means to fail to fulfill a promise or obligation. Aug 2016 we received UA +1%....well short of their declaration of +7% OR even +4%.

 

[NYer]

Even with all of that said....By definition renege means to fail to fulfill a promise or obligation. Aug 2016 we received UA +1%....well short of their declaration of +7% OR even +4%.

Yeah. OK.

 

[bob@las-AA]

December 2014: The APFA had ratified their JCBA and were due to get a 6% raise. The LAA gave them a 4% raise on top of that 6% which brought them to 7% ahead of Delta.

Reneged would be, in my opinion, if there were no raises. If we would have received the 4% in 2014 and if they would have brought us to 7% ahead of Delta in 2015 we still would have needed another raise in August of 2016 to be where we are now. So, it seems we have benefited as well as all the other unions in the realm of base wages.

Most have forgotten that raise.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

13-15% of what, I looked in the contract and couldn't find anything about how much they were getting for diff. But you want 13-15% of a unknown amount.

pardon me? i want 13-15% of an unknown amount? how do you mean?

dl ramp is non-union, there is no contract to look up. keep looking...

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Most have forgotten that raise.

that's the raise that laura glading walked across the street to parker's office and asked if he would up the ante after dl announced raises the morning the FAs' TA was going to get sent out for vote, i believe.

parker agreed. nodded his head and aa came up with $13 million more for the FAs.

this is the start of the theory about dl playing games with aa management.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You are mixing the two. They changed everytime. They said Deltaor UA plus 7. Then they got a raise. Then it was delta or UA plus 4. then they got a raise. So Then it was “ we need to be on par with delta or Ua. When we got our raises in the interim Wage agreement it was at UA plus 1%.. so while I agree with the 24% it still was a Reneg on both the Plus 7 and Plus 4 talk.
So now I’m saying that the company stated DL plus 3%. Now DL announced a raise. History absolutely shows that AA has reneged in similar situations.

to me, the company can play games and say, 'right now, dl is at $30.14, so, it will be .24 cents', or whatever.

i don't believe they will do that..i just gave an example with the FAs, where parker kept his word.

most likely, 3% over united's yearly december raise.

personally, not enough. not enough of a premium over ua & dl for the pathetic profit sharing we receive and the fact that we will surrender x-amount of concessions..in an era of unprecedented airline profits.

 

[NYer]

Most have forgotten that raise.

It was included in the August 2016 raise.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Most have forgotten that raise.

Bob, I posted a poll over on my facebook group (Not sure if you are there are not). Simply yes or no, do you think the ass should bring this for a vote?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Also, don't be surprised if the Association cashes out of the profit sharing and agrees to Delta +7%. Interesting.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I am not, but if it were here, put it on paper with full language and give it to the membership. I have been running into a lot of hard core union elitist, and we have come to the same conclusions, the first one is that MX is holding things up, I can say with a small amount of confidence that for fleet, we just might have a TA, but the a$$ will not let us play through, witch I think is total BS, and second, the more the a$$ try's to demonize the company with these nasygrams they put out, the more members are starting to think that they are starting to hear the truth, and the truth is coming from the company, not the a$$. And thirdly, the company is digging its heals in, and this may be another contributing factor in why we have no TA to vote on yet.