American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

Finger pointing? Was the TWU responsible for "Negotiating" the 2003 debacle? Was and is the TWU Airtransport Division dominated by Fleet? I was there and I am still living under the concessions. We had a meeting with Jim Little and when he was asked why AMTs were being forced more concessions than others he claimed everyone got the same. When it was pointed out that not only did we take a higher pay cut but lost longevity and sick pay too he again claimed we all lost the same. Then when it was asked why we had to give up sick pay he said they wanted to take our license pay. Since we are the only ones with licenses and no other group has them we were on the hook for that value along with the other concessions. So no we did not all lose the same. It is what it is and what is done is done. I am not wanting that to happen again where the AMTs get hosed and the TWU tries to say we didn't. I'm sure if we were offered full sick pay like you never lost though you would want equal value even though you never lost it right? That is part of the problem. We should get everything back that Fleet never lost before anyone else gets a single thing. And since you didn't have to give it up we should not have to give something up to get it. If you disagree with that then that is Exhibit A on why we need to separate. Are you going to agree that we should get sick pay and longevity without Fleet getting something of equal value? I didn't think so.

If you negotiate something and Fleet doesn't an we view it in, guess what? That would be our fault for voting it in.

Maintenance has 50% pay on first SK call. Fleet doesn't, we get 100%. That's Fleet's fault too? =/

And to be clear, your original post on this was about current negotiations and even went into the BK. Now this answer goes back to 2003? Pick a decade.

 

[Racer X]

So what happens if TWU NC wants a vote and the IAM doesn't, unanimous or nothing?

Would have to be a majority

 

[NYer]

Let me make this clear.... AMTs need to accept some blame also for not getting away when we had the chance. Although the TWU got help from the company and then from the Teamsters and the company we still should have gotten it done. One thing that we tend to forget about is that even if we were in separate unions we could and would help each other. If Fleet set up a picket line we would honor it just like you would honor ours. As I said we have different issues that affect us and different ideas on what is and isn't most important. As much as I disagree and as much as I do not like being in the association or the TWU I would still fight for you guys in Fleet and do what I had to do as a union man. I can't change the present situation and so I can only give my opinion on what I think would be a better one. I honestly think it would benefit both groups. Again just my opinion.

You could definitely advocate to be separated but the current plight of the Maintenance group can't continue to be blamed on everyone else.

Self reflection is how you guys move forward. Taking responsibility for prior decisions.

 

[ALUS78]

So what happens if TWU NC wants a vote and the IAM doesn't, unanimous or nothing?

A vote would be the only fair way to settle any such argument and both sides do have an argument.I think that is what is going happen.It even lets Sito off the hook kind of

 

[OldGuy@AA]

If you negotiate something and Fleet doesn't an we view it in, guess what? That would be our fault for voting it in.

Maintenance has 50% pay on first SK call. Fleet doesn't, we get 100%. That's Fleet's fault too? =/

And to be clear, your original post on this was about current negotiations and even went into the BK. Now this answer goes back to 2003? Pick a decade.

Yeah different decade but same concessions. We are in negotiations now and would like them to be gone. Fleet runs the ATD and the ATD decided we would lose sick pay and longevity along with a higher pay cut than Fleet or Stores. So what happened was AA gave the TWU a bill and said they had to come up with that amount of concessions. TWU (dominated by Fleet) decided AMTs would pay the lion's share of the bill and made sure we lost more. But you didn't answer my question.... Should we get sick pay and longevity back without Fleet getting equal value?

 

[Tim Nelson]

If ur right Tim that Sito gave up LUS health i wld like to see validation of it. If not then how do we know if its true true or what?

because thatz what he do.
Unfortunately, you will get validation after his vote. And btw he is batting 1000%. Talks chit and mezmerizes people like rat, but NEVER comes thru. Gave up 400% increases at united. Canceled insurances at mcgee and didnt even bother negotiating at spirit and united ground. Then after all his bullshit he flipped and upped insurance 400% for 10,000 rail members.
Keep listening to mr baskett and Sito Robbedagain and stop asking me questions because all you do is waste my time.

 

[NYer]

Yeah different decade but same concessions. We are in negotiations now and would like them to be gone. Fleet runs the ATD and the ATD decided we would lose sick pay and longevity along with a higher pay cut than Fleet or Stores. So what happened was AA gave the TWU a bill and said they had to come up with that amount of concessions. TWU (dominated by Fleet) decided AMTs would pay the lion's share of the bill and made sure we lost more. But you didn't answer my question.... Should we get sick pay and longevity back without Fleet getting equal value?

I guess the fact that each group has their own negotiating committee, is irrelevant.

In BK, Fleet ratified their CBA while the AMT's didn't is also irrelevant.

Finally, I guess it's also irrelevant that only AMT's can vote for their CBA.

On the other hand, I'm sure there convenient conspiracy theories involved.

 

[cltrat]

F you Tim only mesmerizing going on is you spank banking for that 300k job you’ll never see.If Sito and you are my choices I won’t bother voting cause I wouldn’t vote you for dog catcher

 

[robbedagain]

Tim. All i asked for was simple proof. The truth is none of us. Not even Baskett nor Rez know how all this end up.

 

[conehead777]

I guess the fact that each group has their own negotiating committee, is irrelevant.

In BK, Fleet ratified their CBA while the AMT's didn't is also irrelevant.

Finally, I guess it's also irrelevant that only AMT's can vote for their CBA.

On the other hand, I'm sure there convenient conspiracy theories involved.

But still it’s like old time said the company offers so much are as with the pay cuts they were. Told how much twu had to give back, so we amts took a bigger hit . Sick time at first was the first 2 days was half pay each occurrence. Now down to one day each now. So even though we vote on our own the twu still determines our piece of the pie. Was hoping that our second bk contract would of failed the pilots did the judge told the company and pilots to try to work it out on there own so the pilots got more back. We are our own worst enemy we have to many mechanics who believe the twu scare tactics. If you don’t vote it in the judge will take more. Well it didn’t happen that way with the pilots. I thank Nyer if it was reversed and the mechanics had the bigger work group you guys would feel the same way.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Correct. 3% effective 10/1/18. Current TOS base rate for the ramp is $30.13/hr. New TOS should be $31.04

great for you guys (i thought dl wouldn't give you guys any more pay raises until aa DOS+12 months).

great for you guys and good for everyone else. this only raises the bar that even the most contemptuous exec has to clear.

someone send mr. johnsen a memo.

 

[Kev3188]

I thought they were waiting for you guys as well. My guess is that with the union campaign on the DL ramp gaining so much momentum, they decided they couldn’t wait any longer.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Tim. All i asked for was simple proof. The truth is none of us. Not even Baskett nor Rez know how all this end up.

Robbed, He doesn't know jack squat... he just makes claims and backs them up with several lock-step digital surrogates. The claims are designed to DIVIDE the two combined carriers ground workers.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I thought they were waiting for you guys as well. My guess is that with the union campaign on the DL ramp gaining so much momentum, they decided they couldn’t wait any longer.

Im sure me and you disagree about the risk associated with gaining iam representation under Sito. Almost immediately, most of you guys will lose their jobs as Sito will cut a deal to maybe get alt without cargo. Not saying this to be political cuz I wouldnt sign such a ripoff deal but legally neither I or superman himself could stop Delta from just contracting the whole department out. Presently, most of the non contract airlines (Republic, Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant) are unionized. IBT organized all the Republic ticket agents then Republic contracted out all of them. TWU organized frontier ramp and 100% of them gone almost immediately. I stood down on Jetblue because they all will be gone if they organize as it profits nobody.
Delta is similar. For that reason, i dont think it is moral high ground to destroy thousands of good jobs.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I thought they were waiting for you guys as well. My guess is that with the union campaign on the DL ramp gaining so much momentum, they decided they couldn’t wait any longer.

knew a guy named scotty here in ord. former north central/nwa and lastly, dl. i believe he recently retired.

after a few decades as an iam guy...thought all you guys would get it in the kiester after voting against a union after merger vote.

was shocked at all the $$ dl kept throwing at you guys, including the record-breaking corporate profit sharing money.

voting in a union at dl sounds like a very tough sell, especially with dl's presence and influence down south.