American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

DL has the ability to adjust on the fly if the economy softens. Except for their pilots, they have the flexibility to change any cost structure they have, if they choose to do so.

true...

though, clearly, $70 oil doesn't alarm dl, otherwise, they would have chosen not to give raises out.

3% more for everyone at dl, will also increase their PS payouts. still doesn't bother dl.

yet, here at aa, we have some very fearful.

 

[bob@las-AA]

They were enjoying it before the merger.

Bob the junior guy who never took concessions.

The job you want to vote away is your own

Yep, I junior, so what, this isn't about your past, this is the here and now.

 

[NYer]

it is..and with opec cutting their's, doesn't mean the usa can't increase it's production.

the keys for the frackers/shale are technology and oil prices.

i've bought into the oil revolution. who cares? i get it.

parker and co. have also bought into it. that's significant, as it's one of the pillars of their $5 billion per year mantra.

Fracking can't make a profit with oil in the $40's or $50's.

 

[NYer]

true...

though, clearly, $70 oil doesn't alarm dl, otherwise, they would have chosen not to give raises out.

3% more for everyone at dl, will also increase their PS payouts. still doesn't bother dl.

yet, here at aa, we have some very fearful.

Part of the reason DL can make those moves quicker than others is because they can take them away quicker than others. Aside from that, the biggest push for the gains made at DL is to keep away the unions that have been trying to organize them.

 

[bob@las-AA]

They were enjoying it before the merger.

Bob the junior guy who never took concessions.

The job you want to vote away is your own

Well, newbie you seen to be spewing the same pablum as everyone else who votes yes to those very concessions back in 2003.

 

[bob@las-AA]

the company made more money in 2015 than in it's entire existence. the company is saying when all the dust settles, it will earn on average $5 billion a year.

despite all this, we have some defeatism. now, oil is the bogeyman.

did some call the company's offer 'an excellent deal'?

.24 cent raise on DOS?

Yes I did, and I am sorry your expectation were not in-line with reality. None of you will ever get back all and then some from 2003, just keeping it real folks.

 

[bob@las-AA]

With the DL raise, which get them getting closer to UA rates, it would be closer to .93 cents. (not counting premiums and differentials)

And lets not forget that a very small presentage makes it to TOS, something like 40%

 

[ALUS78]

The offer from the company does have a hint of trimming of the fat, and some would consider it concessionary, but I will tell yo this, it is a excellent deal and if enough pressure is applied on the association, the members of the TWU could start enjoying what the IAM has been enjoying ever since the merger was initiated.

where did i say we should wait a few years? i said wait a bit, and the fares will catch up (increase margins) and the frackers & shale production will ramp up.

waiting for fares to catch up, that's what parker also said. so, you believe parker 100% about the contract, but you must think he's lying about not being pessimistic about oil? which one is it?

if you have 10 years seniority, you were hired when oil was at $140/barrel. the world doesn't end at $100 oil or $140 oil.

you were also saying that the raises we got in august of 2016 might push the company into another bk?

you seem to get nervous every time the company gives us something or when the union is looking for enhancements. why so nervous?

Bob is..... .. well Bob

 

[Jester]

DL has the ability to adjust on the fly if the economy softens. Except for their pilots, they have the flexibility to change any cost structure they have, if they choose to do so.

I spoke with some JetBlue FSC friends and I have been told they are seeing reduction in "full-time" hours such that it isn't a 40-hour work week anymore, although it might be temporary. The "Holy Grail" of the IAM/TWU has been full time is ALWAYS 40 hours, as part-time provides the operational flexibility of 3 - 6 1/2 hour daily shifts depending upon contract.

 

[NYer]

I spoke with some JetBlue FSC friends and I have been told they are seeing reduction in "full-time" hours such that it isn't a 40-hour work week anymore, although it might be temporary. The "Holy Grail" of the IAM/TWU has been full time is ALWAYS 40 hours, as part-time provides the operational flexibility of 3 - 6 1/2 hour daily shifts depending upon contract.

Ask them if they or others are sent home then expected to return to finish their hours. Like work three go home for three then come back for another three.

 

[Jester]

Ask them if they or others are sent home then expected to return to finish their hours. Like work three go home for three then come back for another three.

So far no, at least, the ones I made contact regarding the matter and they don't know of any within the company.

 

[The Prophet]

Well, newbie you seen to be spewing the same pablum as everyone else who votes yes to those very concessions back in 2003.

Never voted for any concessions in my 29 years, junior.

 

[Kev3188]

so, how dumb is delta announcing raises and enhancing financials for it's ready reserve last week??

like dl doesn't know that oil has been rising?

I think DL is more concerned with maintaining autocracy than anything else.

I personally would hold off calling it an excellent deal until you've seen the entire contract and not just the icing on the cake. Or are you prepared to eat a manure cake because it has buttercream on it. Not saying it is bad, not saying it's good. I'm saying a used car salesman will tell you only what he needs to to sell you the lemon on the lot. I as I'm sure all would like to see the entire proposal before making an opinion if it's worth voting on. But my representatives who have seen the entire deal think it's still the lemon on the lot.

What article covers rustproofing? 🙂

Yep, I junior, so what, this isn't about your past, this is the here and now.

Actually, it's about the future.

Part of the reason DL can make those moves quicker than others is because they can take them away quicker than others. Aside from that, the biggest push for the gains made at DL is to keep away the unions that have been trying to organize them.

+1

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oil a new 5 year high of $71.36

TWU announces organizing drive for Jetblue Customer Service.

 

[NYer]

The latest...

American Management Continues Disrespect of 30,000 TWU Association Members

Since American management walked out of talks in late March, the TWU--IAM Association mechanic and related, stores and fleet service negotiating committees have been fully prepared to resume joint contract bargaining and bring these negotiations to a successful conclusion. Instead of making a good faith effort to to reach a fair agreement with 30,000 American Airlines ground workers and get back to work, American management has opted to conduct company controlled road shows in an attempt to bypass your negotiating committees. This diversión only serves to prolong the process and prevent Association members from reaping the benefits of a fair joint contract.

“Enough is enough. Association members have waited long enough for a fair joint contract,” said Alex Garcia and Sito Pantoja, Association Chair and Vice Chair, respectively. “The Association has been ready to resume talks since American management walked out of Negotiations, but the Company seems more interested in holding their corporate sideshows than they are in reaching a fair agreement. Each day that American management refuses to negotiate is a slap in the face of 30,000 workers.”

In late March, Johnson — talks broke down as American Airlines Executive Vice President Stephen who had never before been in negotiations — stormed out of the room because the Association rejected American’s proposals regarding medical and retirement benefits, wages, scope/job security and profit sharing, which were wholly inadequate.

“We are deeply concerned over American’s refusal to negotiate and their seeming attempt to bend Association members to their will,” continued Garcia and Pantoja. “Make no mistake, we will not bend to American’s will, we stand ready to negotiate and we are fully prepared to mobilize the Association’s significant resources and bring this process to a conclusion that provides 30,000 Association members a fair joint contact that they can be proud of.”