American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema, we do know what they offered on their (AA) proposal. Unless I missed it, I don’t recall them stating a figure on the IAM. We now have a base for the 401k match. I expect it to go no where but up and if the IAM is offered and the match drops below the base...no go.

i'm looking for a number, including the 78%?-79%? they pay for our health insurance...if lus loses their insurance, they are each individually in the red.

 

[WeAAsles]

it sounds crappy to me, coming out of the gate.

if we were voting right now, it would be 3% over dl, .24 cents on DOS for FSC? additional week vc is worth $1250 per FSC FTer? $3k signing bonus? add up the package and donnie delta got $7200 in profit sharing last year and blows away everything on the jetnet videos.

galvanize the workforce and show everyone with actual numbers what aa thinks of them.

Crema my mind is now made up. Even if the Company offered us a 25% raise I’m voting NO.

I won’t vote yes for those job losses on either side.
I won’t vote yes for a new “Where and when so directed” and
I won’t vote yes for something that doesn’t put an ease to our (TWU) Medical costs.
And I won’t vote yes for what the Company proposed for PT percentage.

And I’m not in the IAMPF so honestly that’s not a major concern for me even if I do think any exchange needs to be maybe a little more improved on.

 

[Kev3188]

to me, the assoc. should spend a little time and tell us right now:

the company's proposal is worth x-amount yearly for each FSC and AMT.

in 2017, dl's amount of wages & compensation was this amount for each FT ramp agent and that amount for each FT AMT.

in 2017 ua's amount of wages & compensation was this amount for each FT ramp agent and that amount for each FT AMT.

if the company uses southwest as a measuring stick for o/h outsourcing and/or ratio of AMTs per aircraft, then southwest is also open game for the same comparison.

embarrass aa's top 'team'. show everyone how stingy they are.

i believe many FSCs are clueless about exact numbers regarding dl's profit sharing and ua's wages. they know it's good, but not the actual numbers to shame aa.

it sounds crappy to me, coming out of the gate.

if we were voting right now, it would be 3% over dl, .24 cents on DOS for FSC? additional week vc is worth $1250 per FSC FTer? $3k signing bonus? add up the package and donnie delta got $7200 in profit sharing last year and blows away everything on the jetnet videos.

galvanize the workforce and show everyone with actual numbers what aa thinks of them.

Yes to both of these.

Don’t forget the weird flight thresholds you guys are hamstrung with.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Please harass some more of your coworkers on a Public posting where they can’t respond but they do have people who can take pictures of that post for them.

Make a video too.

https://www.aa.com/content/images/c...andards-of-business-conduct-for-employees.pdf

yaaawwwnnn. Take as many screenshots as you want, and i already told you im making a video that will explictly ask you and alex to take your filthy hands off my retirement. Toleration isnt necessarily a virtue and when 2 union thugs are trying to keep me in a dead retirement, i will call them out. I got 3 videos actually. You can send all 3 to HR if you want, really no fuss with me. 1 on the late great iam pension. And the 2 previous ones i mentioned.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Crema I have no doubt that if they put out a Value right now it would sound great coming out the gate.

It’s over time where the value starts to break down and the value to our Contracts disappears into the wind.

It’s not about the “individual” it’s about the “collective” cost.

wrong! For you, alex, others in line, Sito, its about the dues and forcing the iam pension as well.
I know you. And I will not allow your handlers to derail our talks and hostage everything for the pension.
Not Happening!

BTW, hotshot, im a member in good standing so save all of your other fake babble.

 

[Talos]

to me, the assoc. should spend a little time and tell us right now:

the company's proposal is worth x-amount yearly for each FSC and AMT.

in 2017, dl's amount of wages & compensation was this amount for each FT ramp agent and that amount for each FT AMT.

in 2017 ua's amount of wages & compensation was this amount for each FT ramp agent and that amount for each FT AMT.

if the company uses southwest as a measuring stick for o/h outsourcing and/or ratio of AMTs per aircraft, then southwest is also open game for the same comparison.

embarrass aa's top 'team'. show everyone how stingy they are.

i believe many FSCs are clueless about exact numbers regarding dl's profit sharing and ua's wages. they know it's good, but not the actual numbers to shame aa.

Most are totally clueless about any comparisons to the other carriers. I don;t know myself , other than Deltas PS is way better than ours. What are the levels of outsourcing for all the carriers, and their total compensation. If all this was put out to the members it would be a lot easier to form a view on things. I remember the TWU sent out a form to the members asking for a list of the most important items to be negotiated. This was years ago. At this point it would be hard to make choices due to the lack of knowledge by most members.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Hey at least my Mom never called me Garbage. Your a winner too. Have a medal.

 

[Tim Nelson]

DP has stated that employees should have ps thats on par with DL n UA. He has stated that employees should have an industry leading contracts... His actions are the total complete opposite. DP if u want industry leading contracts.. I suggest enhanced scope using LUS. LUS health or somewhere in the middle btwn LAA n LUS. Enhanced benefits etc.

Robbed, somewhere inthe middle cost us thousands of jobs if we recognize twu scope and improve it to only half of ours. The TWU supported us to gain scope in a stand alone so it could springboard pass it with a jcba. At worst, take the best of both regarding scope. In that sense its not cost positive but keeps what we have.
Actually, im all for cost neutral regarding scope and health care but we need cost positve territory for retirement, days off, overtime, grievance procedure.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I knew it was a matter of time before the clutter of memes and videos along with personal attacks would once again become a tool.
We did have a nice little run there for a couple of weeks...SMH!

he is back again threatening, mocking, and having B fits again as he tries to once again blow up the thread and shut down the previously civil discussions we were having. I knew he would only be civil for 5 hours.
I just write it off as collateral damage. I like that he is back though because if you dont get offended with his juvenility then i think the perspective he brings from his handlers has elements of insight that we can capture and further the discussion with. The only big negative is that nyer cant continue to give us solid information without that other guy cutting in and muddying the water.

 

[Racer X]

Crema, we do know what they offered on their (AA) proposal. Unless I missed it, I don’t recall them stating a figure on the IAM. We now have a base for the 401k match. I expect it to go no where but up and if the IAM is offered and the match drops below the base...no go.

The match offer right now is below the base.
5% base
Up to 4% match
Is this what you are referring to?

 

[Tim Nelson]

That's why you guys need to demand the changes you want, if that means representation change, then do what it takes.

Many, especially a network of mechanics, im talking to, realize that other things will be considered. Im not saying that im in the majority but i am presently trying to discourage the idea of any representation change prior to a jcba. Also, after a jcba, weezles can say whatever he wants and i wont care, but im not going to allow his handlers to hostage these talks with the iam pension disaster.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW the Association still hasn’t heard from the Company yet since the Johnson meeting.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema my mind is now made up. Even if the Company offered us a 25% raise I’m voting NO.

I won’t vote yes for those job losses on either side.
I won’t vote yes for a new “Where and when so directed” and
I won’t vote yes for something that doesn’t put an ease to our (TWU) Medical costs.
And I won’t vote yes for what the Company proposed for PT percentage.

And I’m not in the IAMPF so honestly that’s not a major concern for me even if I do think any exchange needs to be maybe a little more improved on.

i respect that. my personal feeling is that the company will get a few things, just as i believe they will also enhance wage & benefits and scope articles.

if we look at history, the twu has voted for the 'now' and not for the after. i don't see anything different playing out. if the company plays hardball on scope, then the assoc. needs to keep fighting on for it's own survival. less employees = less dues, i can't see the unions basically agreeing to going on a hunger strike...starving themselves to a slow financial death that will occur down the line.

a $38.50 TOS hourly wage for a non-crew chief is a big fat carrot.

 

[WeAAsles]

i respect that. my personal feeling is that the company will get a few things, just as i believe they will also enhance wage & benefits and scope articles.

if we look at history, the twu has voted for the 'now' and not for the after. i don't see anything different playing out. if the company plays hardball on scope, then the assoc. needs to keep fighting on for it's own survival. less employees = less dues, i can't see the unions basically agreeing to going on a hunger strike...starving themselves to a slow financial death that will occur down the line.

a $38.50 TOS hourly wage for a non-crew chief is a big fat carrot.

I made that list of jobs we lost or gave up. That’s really it for me. I’m making more than enough now that I can vote on principle and not have to focus on my wallet.

Whatever comes our way people can vote however they want but I’ll make sure to take a picture of my no vote for posterity.

 

[AANOTOK]

The match offer right now is below the base.
5% base
Up to 4% match
Is this what you are referring to?

No, what I meant was we have a baseline on what AA is offering number wise to the 401k without the IAM pension being included. If AA agrees to continue the IAM pension and their number offered for the 401k goes below their original offer because of the IAM pension, that is a non starter for me. The IAM pension does nothing at all for me so why would I settle on a lower 401k offer because of it.