American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Once again, it's ALL ABOUT THE LUS MEDICAL.....We get it!!!!
No where in this post did you mention scope.

our union has been anti-union so after 4 post bankruptcy negotiations, we havent been successful at regaining our work. Even with billions of profits, the iam is still Ill Ask Management, and the company is still the Party of No.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

so you are saying that airline unions will finally have to be just as accountable as unions in Michigan?
A funny thing happened along the way as Michigan unions got more accountable and union membership increased.

God forbid they keep refusing to consider dissonant voices of key dissonants who will be capable of campaigning to get mass exits if not listened to. No more nepotism?
Sorry 700, if what you were saying is true then it would have already happened. That said, RTW has been around for years but spiked under Obama.

Timmy... your coveted 401k plans are also under attack by Republicans... the Fiduciary Responsibilities that keep fund managers from stealing your money are being eliminated by the Trump/GOP...

http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20180614/FREE/180619953/dol-fiduciary-rule-on-brink-of-death-as-key-deadline-passes

 

[Tim Nelson]

Timmy... your coveted 401k plans are also under attack by Republicans... the Fiduciary Responsibilities that keep fund managers from stealing your money are being eliminated by the Trump/GOP...

http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20180614/FREE/180619953/dol-fiduciary-rule-on-brink-of-death-as-key-deadline-passes

I dont have a choice, union pensions are at the bottom of the food chain so anything above that is welcome.

Bagging over $1 million since 1990 till now....im not complaining. If I have to give the scam fund managers some more then at least my 22%+ increases per year is still sustainable.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

You’re coming on here scared to death of another Bankruptcy and saying that I need a “safe space” is nuts. Besides I think you’re a Company shill. You came here very conveniently right after the Company started to put up their online crap and you’re trying to frighten the readers here into buying it.

I'm not"scared" of nothing concerning AA and Chapter 11 . Those are YOUR WORDS.
All I'm doing is sounding the alarm that AA management is driving this bus directly towards the Bridge Washed Out Ahead Barricades and they are not even slowing down.

JCBA NOW!

 

[B737 driver]

I'm not"scared" of nothing concerning AA and Chapter 11 . Those are YOUR WORDS.
All I'm doing is sounding the alarm that AA management is driving this bus directly towards the Bridge Washed Out Ahead Barricades and they are not even slowing down.

JCBA NOW!

Better secure what you can before they suck all the money out, and you guys get nothing.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

You’re coming on here scared to death of another Bankruptcy and saying that I need a “safe space” is nuts. Besides I think you’re a Company shill. You came here very conveniently right after the Company started to put up their online crap and you’re trying to frighten the readers here into buying it.

Yep, definitely a company plant. He also showed up on fb as "Donald Hilock" shortly after he popped up on here.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yep, definitely a company plant. He also showed up on fb as "Donald Hilock" shortly after he popped up on here.

Yea like Parker mentioning at the end of the SOTA before he walked off the stage “And Oil is going up, Good Night folks”

They just want to manipulate the easy minded.

 

[AANOTOK]

If this is old news, my bad.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Letter to Membership 6-15-18.pdf

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Congressional Bills for National Right to Work include a provision to strike paragraph 11 from the Railway Labor Act, which speaks on "check-off."


Eleventh. Union security agreements; check-off
Notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter, or of any other statute or law of the United States, or Territory thereof, or of any State, any carrier or carriers as defined in this chapter and a labor organization or labor organizations duly designated and authorized to represent employees in accordance with the requirements of this chapter shall be permitted-

(a) to make agreements, requiring, as a condition of continued employment, that within sixty days following the beginning of such employment, or the effective date of such agreements, whichever is the later, all employees shall become members of the labor organization representing their craft or class: Provided, That no such agreement shall require such condition of employment with respect to employees to whom membership is not available upon the same terms and conditions as are generally applicable to any other member or with respect to employees to whom membership was denied or terminated for any reason other than the failure of the employee to tender the periodic dues, initiation fees, and assessments (not including fines and penalties) uniformly required as a condition of acquiring or retaining membership.

(b) to make agreements providing for the deduction by such carrier or carriers from the wages of its or their employees in a craft or class and payment to the labor organization representing the craft or class of such employees, of any periodic dues, initiation fees, and assessments (not including fines and penalties) uniformly required as a condition of acquiring or retaining membership: Provided, That no such agreement shall be effective with respect to any individual employee until he shall have furnished the employer with a written assignment to the labor organization of such membership dues, initiation fees, and assessments, which shall be revocable in writing after the expiration of one year or upon the termination date of the applicable collective agreement, whichever occurs sooner.

(c) The requirement of membership in a labor organization in an agreement made pursuant to subparagraph (a) of this paragraph shall be satisfied, as to both a present or future employee in engine, train, yard, or hostling service, that is, an employee engaged in any of the services or capacities covered in the First division of paragraph (h) of section 153 of this title defining the jurisdictional scope of the First Division of the National Railroad Adjustment Board, if said employee shall hold or acquire membership in any one of the labor organizations, national in scope, organized in accordance with this chapter and admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services; and no agreement made pursuant to subparagraph (b) of this paragraph shall provide for deductions from his wages for periodic dues, initiation fees, or assessments payable to any labor organization other than that in which he holds membership: Provided, however, That as to an employee in any of said services on a particular carrier at the effective date of any such agreement on a carrier, who is not a member of any one of the labor organizations, national in scope, organized in accordance with this chapter and admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services, such employee, as a condition of continuing his employment, may be required to become a member of the organization representing the craft in which he is employed on the effective date of the first agreement applicable to him: Provided, further, That nothing herein or in any such agreement or agreements shall prevent an employee from changing membership from one organization to another organization admitting to membership employees of a craft or class in any of said services.

(d) Any provisions in paragraphs Fourth and Fifth of this section in conflict herewith are to the extent of such conflict amended.

what about a flibuster or is that not required for existing laws that are tweaked?
Otherwise, after Janus, this may be a done deal.

 

[WeAAsles]

If this is old news, my bad.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Letter to Membership 6-15-18.pdf

That’s a new letter. Here’s an update from TWU 514.


514 members,

Earlier this week the association executive negotiation team met with American Airlines in JFK. It was reported to me on a conference call today that American Airlines once again did not come with a counter proposal from our economic pass. Nor did they put in writing the details of the proposal you received in your email accounts. It was also reported out that they will sit down once again the week of June 25th in DC for negotiations.

“The biggest problem is the company is not negotiating.”
We started this process with the association on December 3rd, 2015.

No end in sight and not even enough decency to match our holidays with the IAM.

We are harmed every day and I’m convinced they don’t give a damn.

I ask that as our frustrations continue to build that we try to lend each other a helping hand both physically and mentally.
Do the work that you get paid for. Do not do others work that they get paid for. Be safe and go home in one piece.

I think it’s easy to see that the company wants a fight. Are we willing to give it to them?

Union!!

Dale

 

[NYer]

If this is old news, my bad.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Letter to Membership 6-15-18.pdf

The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

[NYer]

That’s a new letter. Here’s an update from TWU 514.


514 members,

Earlier this week the association executive negotiation team met with American Airlines in JFK. It was reported to me on a conference call today that American Airlines once again did not come with a counter proposal from our economic pass. Nor did they put in writing the details of the proposal you received in your email accounts. It was also reported out that they will sit down once again the week of June 25th in DC for negotiations.

“The biggest problem is the company is not negotiating.”
We started this process with the association on December 3rd, 2015.

No end in sight and not even enough decency to match our holidays with the IAM.

We are harmed every day and I’m convinced they don’t give a damn.

I ask that as our frustrations continue to build that we try to lend each other a helping hand both physically and mentally.
Do the work that you get paid for. Do not do others work that they get paid for. Be safe and go home in one piece.

I think it’s easy to see that the company wants a fight. Are we willing to give it to them?

Union!!

Dale

You forgot this part: "And the Frustration Continues..."

 

[NYer]

what about a flibuster or is that not required for existing laws that are tweaked?
Otherwise, after Janus, this may be a done deal.

There is no NRTW law, it's just a Bill but it seems held up and it may have to do with the Janus decision. If they get a favorable ruling on that there is a higher probability the NRTW law survives legal scrutiny.

 

[WeAAsles]

You forgot this part: "And the Frustration Continues..."

No swearing now. We can be civil here.

And thanks for taking the bait.

 

[ALUS78]

Tim negotiations are starting up again so I guess there was some movement (besides bowel)between Sito and the company.Do you think he gave up our heathcare for the pension and now we just wait for MTC?