American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

this blog is very informative. to me, it's spring-loaded towards lus/iam fleet being more in the know than laa/twu fleet, just due to guys like prez & charlie brown and even racer x and piedmont along with tim nelson posting about combined issues, but mostly iam issues.

from laa side, like him or not, i think weaasles talks about laa/twu issues and NYer's posts have to be read. i didn't even know he was mia local president, now he's on the actual negotiating committee? if so, i think we'll get direct answers to most questions in record time, but i believe he will tighten up a bit about some queries.

an example is weaasles told me on this blog that aa's scope language could mean lavs contracted out. i spoke with someone with 30 years, does lavs and she confidently told me that there is no way the company can contract out lavs, due to maintenance can't work with 3rd parties on lav issues..etc.

i told her that maybe the company will change that in the AMT contract and then they will be able to contract out lavs...

...so, she does lavs and she didn't know or hear from other lav drivers that they might be in danger of losing their gigs.

this is the twu.

My point(s) exactly!

 

[NYer]

well, i meant specifics. as in; what is your personal red line on this (wages) or that (pt ratio/%). that, i understand keeping under your hat.

I'd guess wages will end up 3% above whoever is ahead at the time (currently UA)

The mechanism we use to control PTers is the OT language, among other things, but that's been TA'd.

Obviously, the lower the % the better.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

My point(s) exactly!

well, that's because kerry and david didn't tell our lav drivers the bad news during their podcasts.

maybe the next time they pull a t-handle, a note will come down and tell them, like the groucho marx show.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I'd guess wages will end up 3% above whoever is ahead at the time (currently UA)

The mechanism we use to control PTers is the OT language, among other things, but that's been TA'd.

Obviously, the lower the % the better.

fair enough. 3% above the highest paid is what rick rodriguez told me in 2001 and i still have a problem with it. too bad for me.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again. To me the wording “ all meetings “ could have meant exactly that “ all meetings” but I think you have made the point clear that’s not what you meant.

Oh will you please knock it off already! Cripes, 3 pages of you parsing a word wrong. No wonder why the company thinks you guys are monkeys. Grow up!

 

[ALUS78]

You are such a bitter man. I’m sure all the IAM members really wish you were there negotiating for us. ( A legend in your own mind. ) That’s why they have supported you so strongly over the years.
Dude sometimes I think you post crap just to see how hard you can sit back and laugh at yourself on who responds.

CB where I sit he couldn't do any worse,hope you guys aren't patting yourselves in the back that would be a laugh.Im here long enough to see the election process and its almost impossible to get elected if the powers that be arent pulling for you and I mean pulling strings and I've seen it done

 

[ALUS78]

We don’t react.

No it doesn’t say day one. But Imo your statement was misleading, so a i was just clarifying

What I meant what are you going to do it Sito orders you to put it out and you don't like.Are you going to lie and say its great like they did over at UAL only to have the new CEO and say it sucks lets improve it?

 

[Racer X]

I feel Tim is better informed plus his answer will be honest and interesting

You feel Tim is better informed on how the negotiating committee is going to react than actual negotiating committee?????????

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Oh will you please knock it off already! Cripes, 3 pages of you parsing a word wrong. No wonder why the company thinks you guys are monkeys. Grow up!

Congratulations Timmy... you have been on her ALL morning, afternoon, and night, are you off work today, or are you working?

>SPIT<

 

[PIEDMONT784]

You feel Tim is better informed on how the negotiating committee is going to react than actual negotiating committee?????????

I think he means, Tim thinks Tim is better informed than anyone else...

>SPIT<

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are such a bitter man. I’m sure all the IAM members really wish you were there negotiating for us. ( A legend in your own mind. ) That’s why they have supported you so strongly over the years.
Dude sometimes I think you post crap just to see how hard you can sit back and laugh at yourself on who responds.

Ok, CLT hates me. Are you done with your dribble yet? And yea, I do get a chuckle over some things. You got me there but that was pretty obvious so no points for you.

You made a statement on the other page that is not necessarily true. Your vote as a negotiation committee or whatever they call you guys now, is only needed on a TA. Offers and proposals that are not TA'd do not need your consent. (Not that it matters because any TA they would get consent or just fire someone off the team)

The company expressed a few things to Sito that I don't think Sito told you guys. And I also think Sito knows the risk and what's at stake. I get things 3rd hand so take it as hearsay, but consider the stakes, if or when it becomes valid.

It's no secret that the company wants to negotiate directly with the members, and explicitly by presenting its offer directly to the membership for a vote.

Think about this. I have.

What this means is that we will lose our LUS health care if you and the other pollyannas keep singing kumbuya with Sito. Any vote and we lose. The numbers aren't there for us.
Sure, you can pound your chest and bull crap CLT that their vote will matter but based on the heavy TWU station I'm at, I can assure you that our LUS health care doesn't have the same value to them and that any offer will pass by great numbers. That will destroy our LUS health care, no thanks to you who are suppose to be watching over it. At least we pay you to.

LUS only chance is to keep this nasty proposal from being voted upon. That's your job #1

Ok, you can carry on now how CLT hates me.

 

[ALUS78]

well, that's because kerry and david didn't tell our lav drivers the bad news during their podcasts.

maybe the next time they pull a t-handle, a note will come down and tell them, like the groucho marx show.

Why this defensive posture by the NC? Why the f@@k would we have to give up lavs, why?If we go to section 6 are we going to throw the same NC in there.?Seems like a waste of time to me

 

[ALUS78]

You feel Tim is better informed on how the negotiating committee is going to react than actual negotiating committee?????????

Well the answer will be more interesting coming from Tim... It's lonely being a TN troll

 

[WeAAsles]

The alternative would be worse.

In your opinion.

Either way the Members should have had a say through a vote and the fact that they were denied that prior to the formation of the Association will always be a cause of animosity and mistrust.

There is no escaping that fact.

 

[ALUS78]

I think he means, Tim thinks Tim is better informed than anyone else...

>SPIT<

Thank you pretty smart for a Dem