American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Company = Association

TWU > IAM

Do you support the Association? Yes or No? Sorry, not good enough to say that you support the IAM and TWU when neither of them is the collective bargaining agent here.

Personally, I feel we would be much better off booting the Association. If that's the TWU then that's better than what we have. And there is a lot of support among the IAM to roll with the TWU as well, if needed.

 

[conehead777]

Unfortunately your craft union will not get you any better than what Parker will pay in benefits.Unfortunately you work for one of the cheapest major airlines when it comes to taking care of their mechanics.

Sorry to tell you driver southwest management is turning just like aa but because you have a strong union in AMFA that communicates with its members the company can’t get away with it as much since they would take a chance of the members knowing before the ta when y’all were not in mediation amfa allows observers so no back door deals. Are the members know it. In the 00-01 northwest amfa contract nw was trying to cut some backdoor deal the observers reported it to there pears and that was put a stoped to it. Your just a teamsters lover if amfa negotiations resulted in you getting a 100 dollars a hour full retro and no outsourcing you would still say amfa sucked. You just don’t perticipate the teamsters are the ones who allowed outsourcing to start with amfa had to work with what there dealt with . I wish we had amfa we would have updates and know that the N.C. were fighting for our craft . The twu is about strength in numbers not about pay and benefits of course they get more dues if our pay is raised but they get more if there more members. So the twu in the passed has cut our pay and benefits for no layoffs and that did not work out when the ink was dried the company came up with a reason to lay off mechanics so never again I hope our mechanics never vote for that again. Are we excepted less for the pension and that didn’t work out when it got frozen, and it’s still underfunded And congress gave the airlines more time to pay. As you see on the twu/iam side misinformation among the members because the union will not give us the straight answer they think we can’t Handel it. So you can wine all you want but I’ve been to your board and I do not see amfa members misinformed. Your pears voted no so you must except the vote ups turned there’s down also .

 

[WeAAsles]

“Rumor” has it that the Association Executive Committee will carry on the Negotiations when the NMB Mediators schedule dates and locations. 🙂

 

[conehead777]

so, amfa's financial people don't feel the same pressure that others feel that trump will tank the economy and get what you can now? i guess the ups teamsters don't see the dark clouds either?

i see that argument lately. the economy is going to roll over and we'll have to take cuts.

It don’t matter anyway when the economy tanked and aa claimed financial ruins they got in two to three weeks concessions more then United are delta took from there employees in bk. Then in 12vthey went in the sham bk they even forgot to sell the castle before the judge and creditors found it. So the twu gave away the store and no SnapBack. But the clowns in the association in good times can’t even get us a contract because of Sitos greed for the iampf. He doesn’t care now about the lower insurance if it’s lost are not he does not face re election like he did. He gets his pay and insurance regardless. He cares about the iampf because that’s money to the iam. If he loses us insurance it’s nothing out of his pocket.

 

[ATD]

Looking back to some of my posts that were right on point.

1. ATD, Dec 13, 2017

I will tell you guys when we will get a contract.
When the union agrees to the LUS scope and not until then. So you guys can bs all day long on trivial matters.
The concern should be, are we going to bow to this company management that could care less who does their maintenace. Just facts.

1. ATD, Dec 7, 2017

The new AA management wants the LUS scope.
If we are unwilling to compromise we will be in negotiations for a long time.
The question we should be asking to our inept NC?
What does the union want for giving up the AA scope?.
It is going to happen. I am not confident in our NC that we will get the value of that concession, for fleet or maintenance.
My source on the company side tells me that our NC is not very well versed on what they want.
Making it very easy for management in these negotiations.

1. ATD, Dec 5, 2017

GP on INT staff is a paid position and with pension benefits after 5 years.
I told you so Weasy..
So the guy who applied for AA management job three times and always put down Don V, Bobby and Little now following the same footsteps.
He is an opportunist nothing more.
And I did not get to vote for him in that position..
I stand by all of my negative post on GP.
And WEASY I have never been in the ATD.

1. ATD, Nov 15, 2017

B737 driver said: ↑

Welcome to the world of management plays one against the other, it's your union's fault, and they laugh all the way to the bank.

Click to expand...


it wasn't managements fault when we accepted the increase in pay.
I blame the TWU international, all the maintenance and bag throwers presidents for accepting the pay increase.
It should have been make TWU and IAM equal then we will talk but it wasn't .
I have no confidence in the TWU Int and the maintenance folks at negotiations.

 

[ALUS78]

“Rumor” has it that the Association Executive Committee will carry on the Negotiations when the NMB Mediators schedule dates and locations. 🙂

Insanity

 

[ALUS78]

I'm typing on a phone...sorry for not spelling it all out...GFY

GO AMFA

I personally dont care if you change unions or not. You might as well go for it if you feel that strongly.My feeling is all unions are the same so I will ask you how many AMTS does WN have per aircraft and how many does AA have? No sarcasm what makes you feel AMFA will be any better than the Association? Believe me I am no fan of the ass but I see AMFA guys at WN struggling to get a contract too

 

[WeAAsles]

It don’t matter anyway when the economy tanked and aa claimed financial ruins they got in two to three weeks concessions more then United are delta took from there employees in bk. Then in 12vthey went in the sham bk they even forgot to sell the castle before the judge and creditors found it. So the twu gave away the store and no SnapBack. But the clowns in the association in good times can’t even get us a contract because of Sitos greed for the iampf. He doesn’t care now about the lower insurance if it’s lost are not he does not face re election like he did. He gets his pay and insurance regardless. He cares about the iampf because that’s money to the iam. If he loses us insurance it’s nothing out of his pocket.

Why are you having such incredible difficulty comprehending that the main sticking point by far is Scope. How many postings, letters and videos do you have to view before the facts sink in?

YOU are the one obsessed with the IAMPF. Negotiators themselves have written here that they would be willing to make an exchange for the right price 401k contribution/match. The current Company offer does not satisfy their economic litmus test.

Here view this Gary Peterson video again and see that he’s talking about SCOPE.

 

[1AA]

Insanity

So I guess fleet service is going to negotiate for aircraft maintenance. I'll just wait for the official release from the Association to this change.

 

[robbedagain]

I for one would love to see a deal that benefits all the employees in each the MTR n the Fleet departments. But i believe its ridiculous that its has been quite a long time (sorta speak) that no deal is in place. For an airline thats is the world's largest there is absolutely no friggin excuse whatsoever for mgmt to offer a subpar deal knowingly it would most likely be shot down yet at same time why does it have to be forever? Personally i think the union n mgmt should be negotiating now plain n simple

To the mechanics if ur doing that card drive for different representation best of luck to you mechanics.

 

[WeAAsles]

So I guess fleet service is going to negotiate for aircraft maintenance. I'll just wait for the official release from the Association to this change.

So when did Gary Peterson and Sito Pantoja start lifting bags for a living?

How many years are you going to keep trying to sell your garbage?

 

[bob@las-AA]

If it’s true, I would like to see Peterson repay the money he collected from the international while he was Prez of a local, no double dipping.

 

[WeAAsles]

If it’s true, I would like to see Peterson repay the money he collected from the international while he was Prez of a local, no double dipping.

Wrong thread Bob. But anyway hey check the LM2’s. It’s all there.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Personally, I feel we would be much better off booting the Association.

Nobody that I have spoken with cares how you "feel" about labor matters, or the association. Actually, few people know who you are, or care what you post, as they don't even read here.

I suppose it makes you feel vindicated for the elections lost, getting fired etc. to attempt to disparage the IAM and the Association. Your rants opposing the association are designed to divide, and weaken the membership anyway. We all know it... you know it... your proxies know it... your handlers know it...

>SPIT<

 

[B737 driver]

Sorry to tell you driver southwest management is turning just like aa but because you have a strong union in AMFA that communicates with its members the company can’t get away with it as much since they would take a chance of the members knowing before the ta when y’all were not in mediation amfa allows observers so no back door deals. Are the members know it. In the 00-01 northwest amfa contract nw was trying to cut some backdoor deal the observers reported it to there pears and that was put a stoped to it. Your just a teamsters lover if amfa negotiations resulted in you getting a 100 dollars a hour full retro and no outsourcing you would still say amfa sucked. You just don’t perticipate the teamsters are the ones who allowed outsourcing to start with amfa had to work with what there dealt with . I wish we had amfa we would have updates and know that the N.C. were fighting for our craft . The twu is about strength in numbers not about pay and benefits of course they get more dues if our pay is raised but they get more if there more members. So the twu in the passed has cut our pay and benefits for no layoffs and that did not work out when the ink was dried the company came up with a reason to lay off mechanics so never again I hope our mechanics never vote for that again. Are we excepted less for the pension and that didn’t work out when it got frozen, and it’s still underfunded And congress gave the airlines more time to pay. As you see on the twu/iam side misinformation among the members because the union will not give us the straight answer they think we can’t Handel it. So you can wine all you want but I’ve been to your board and I do not see amfa members misinformed. Your pears voted no so you must except the vote ups turned there’s down also .

I do accept it. There is nothing I can do about it.All I know when we were Teamsters, it did not take over 6 years to get a contract. We all moved up. Well AMFA had a Teamsters contract , and did extensions and LOAs. The problem is when everyone went bankrupt, we did not , so we had more perks because SWA made money. So when you have mechanics making over $100,000 a year it takes longer to move higher. So here we are.