American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

If the TWU had put contract language in there that equity was not for early out we wouldn’t have had to loose any money at all.

The Equity granted to the TWU for Contractual losses occurring because of Bankruptcy restructuring is not an item that is placed into our CBA.

Besides anyway are you implying that if somehow it were placed in our contract that that would have prevented to EBO individuals from being allowed by Law to initiate a Class Action suit against their former Collective Bargaining Agent?

If you really are looking for someone to blame that we were sued and besides the fact that the Equity held made an absolute killing on its investments, you need to blame the Lawyers who misled and hoodwinked those retirees who weren’t smart enough to realize they had no leg to stand on and no case but were taken advantage of anyway.

Those poor fools (idiots) wasted thousands of dollars of their own money on a wild goose chase in a Forrest that had no geese in it for them to catch.

Old saying: A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

Not entirely. RDU will start with ~70FT spots, and AUS will start with ~30FT. Any Ready Reserve spots will be on top of that.

DL may have an ulterior motive here, but in the meantime, this is good news for us at the Widget, and is looooong overdue.

Are those FT spots for internal candidates? Online both on Delta's websire and Indeed it only states ready reserve. Many other cities have been posted for some time now as ready reserve. A DL ready reserve guy here in IAH told me guys were going to be transferring out to AUS in droves even as they are expanding in Houston.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

delta explains that the operations will be more efficient. aa's MBR is double and half more than dl's.

this is why aa is a firm #3, out of the big 3. it took ua over 25 years to get out of 3rd place.

I agree with it being more efficient. Some of these cities have no business being outsourced and this is coming from an Envoy guy. It just makes no sense with the high turnover rate. It is going to be interesting to see how your scope works out and affects stations like mine and BNA, ABQ, MSY, IND, and MEM. Yeah and the MBR is crazy in certain stations. It is however alot better than it used to be systemwide and is great here.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

This is the consequences of a tightening labor market where companies are having more and more difficulties filling positions. Particularly positions that offer no hope schitty wages and benefits.

I think the industry is going to start seeing this occur more and more.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[WeAAsles]

If the TWU had put contract language in there that equity was not for early out we wouldn’t have had to loose any money at all.

And again you really should stop posting because your comments are an embarrassment to the education of others in your profession.

You would be wise to just sit back and read or only ask very simple questions.

 

[Tim Nelson]

They are insourcing but it's still ready reserve.

That is fake news. Ridiculous. Stop believing all the lies that unions spread about delta.
Union carriers have twice as many jobs contracted out or using dgs, ready reserve, non permanent employee positions.
At AA, the union has temp workers, sub contractors for 70+ stations, and envoy. Yea, envoy wears a union pin but that doesnt make those chiat jobs any better than dgs.
Sorry to spoil your narrative with facts.

 

[1AA]

If the TWU had put contract language in there that equity was not for early out we wouldn’t have had to loose any money at all.

We had very specific language on the prefunding company match. But that somehow made its way into the courts and we lost that. Nothing is guaranteed even if it's in writing because high dollar lawyers are paid the big bucks for a reason.

 

[1AA]

That is fake news. Ridiculous. Stop believing all the lies that unions spread about delta.
Union carriers have twice as many jobs contracted out or using dgs, ready reserve, non permanent employee positions.
At AA, the union has temp workers, sub contractors for 70+ stations, and envoy. Yea, envoy wears a union pin but that doesnt make those chiat jobs any better than dgs.
Sorry to spoil your narrative with facts.

ENVOY is company internal outsourcing. They fly with the AA logo, AA uniforms, AA call signs and out of the same AA termimals. Every AA legacy flight flipped to ENVOY is a lose of jobs. Union jobs.
Seems the association isn't too concerned about those lose of jobs. You can't stop the building of new hangars and maintenance facilities in central and South America but you can try to stop the ENVOY onslaught on your own territory.

 

[WeAAsles]

We had very specific language on the prefunding company match. But that somehow made its way into the courts and we lost that. Nothing is guaranteed even if it's in writing because high dollar lawyers are paid the big bucks for a reason.

That “somehow” is called Bankruptcy, Bad Salesman. And the ruling by the Arbitrator was that the grievance was still premature essentially placeing the issue on hold indefinitely.

http://www.twu.org/wp-content/uploads/AA_TWU_ArbitratorFinal.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

ENVOY is company internal outsourcing. They fly with the AA logo, AA uniforms, AA call signs and out of the same AA termimals. Every AA legacy flight flipped to ENVOY is a lose of jobs. Union jobs.
Seems the association isn't too concerned about those lose of jobs. You can't stop the building of new hangars and maintenance facilities in central and South America but you can try to stop the ENVOY onslaught on your own territory.

“Bad Salesman” if the Association wasn’t concerned about the (loss not lose) of Jobs then we would already be preparing to vote on JCBA’s and not be protesting all over the Country because the Company wants to carve out our Scope.

And the Association did propose to the Company to reopen cities that were closed in the Bankruptcy not to mention trying to bring in some of that Commuter work.

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Association-Positions-Proposal-Document.pdf

You really are a “Bad Salesman”

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

That is fake news. Ridiculous. Stop believing all the lies that unions spread about delta.
Union carriers have twice as many jobs contracted out or using dgs, ready reserve, non permanent employee positions.
At AA, the union has temp workers, sub contractors for 70+ stations, and envoy. Yea, envoy wears a union pin but that doesnt make those chiat jobs any better than dgs.
Sorry to spoil your narrative with facts.

You are talking like your off your meds again. It's not my narrative from any union. This is what is verifiable online. But as Kev pointed out they have full time but I never see those jobs posted. Read and comprehend instead of getting high off your asinine responses. And you can't compare Envoy and a third party company although they treat us like one. We are all under AAG although we are at a way lower pay scale.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

ENVOY is company internal outsourcing. They fly with the AA logo, AA uniforms, AA call signs and out of the same AA termimals. Every AA legacy flight flipped to ENVOY is a lose of jobs. Union jobs.
Seems the association isn't too concerned about those lose of jobs. You can't stop the building of new hangars and maintenance facilities in central and South America but you can try to stop the ENVOY onslaught on your own territory.

To a degree but not completely. Keep in mind some Envoy personnel are union as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

1AA. The “Bad Salesman”

 

[1AA]

To a degree but not completely. Keep in mind some Envoy personnel are union as well.

So are UAL and other airlines. Point is those are flights going to Envoy. One could argue it can be Envoy or United. Either way those positions that were AA legacy are lost. We don't work them.

 

[Buck]

Of course you need professionals in negotiations, my point was it doesn't make it any faster, or more than what the company final numbers are.

What does the TWU Mechanic Contract say for Article 28 paragraph B?