American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

So are UAL and other airlines. Point is those are flights going to Envoy. One could argue it can be Envoy or United. Either way those positions that were AA legacy are lost. We don't work them.

You do know that AA also upgrades flights from Envoy to the Mainline as well depending on customer demand.

 

[B737 driver]

What does the TWU Mechanic Contract say for Article 28 paragraph B?

Couldn't tell you Buck, you tell me?

 

[WeAAsles]

Couldn't tell you Buck, you tell me?

(b) The Union recognizes that the Company will have sole jurisdiction of the management and operation of its business, the direction of its working force, the right to maintain discipline and efficiency in its hangars, stations, shops, or other places of employment, and the right of the Company to hire, discipline, and discharge employees for just cause, subject to the provisions of this Agreement. It is agreed that the rights enumerated in this Article will not be deemed to exclude other preexisting rights of management not enumerated which do not conflict with other provisions of this Agreement.

 

[B737 driver]

(b) The Union recognizes that the Company will have sole jurisdiction of the management and operation of its business, the direction of its working force, the right to maintain discipline and efficiency in its hangars, stations, shops, or other places of employment, and the right of the Company to hire, discipline, and discharge employees for just cause, subject to the provisions of this Agreement. It is agreed that the rights enumerated in this Article will not be deemed to exclude other preexisting rights of management not enumerated which do not conflict with other provisions of this Agreement.

Sounds like standard language everyone has.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sounds like standard language everyone has.

Maybe he’s going to come back and tell you how his made up Union will demand language giving them the right to manage the Company instead of Management?

 

[1AA]

ENVOY is no longer a feeder to major airline hubs as some of us think.
They fly routes in excess of 3 hours in some markets. I believe they call it point to point. Hub feeders went away with the days of turbo props that were limited to altitudes, airspeed and capacity. They have major routes to and from AA stations in CLT, DCA, PHL, MIA, NYC, PIT.
Republic also has agreements with both Delta and United Airlines.
Check out the route map. You'll be surprised. It's only going to grow bigger.
I hope the APA can put a stop on Envoy and their grouth of taking our AA jobs or at least put a limit on it. If the APA can be successful to some point we should all be grateful and should support them in any way.
https://rjet.com/about-republic-airline/our-bases-routes/

 

[WeAAsles]

ENVOY is no longer a feeder to major airline hubs as some of us think.
They fly routes in excess of 3 hours in some markets. I believe they call it point to point. Hub feeders went away with the days of turbo props that were limited to altitudes, airspeed and capacity. They have major routes to and from AA stations in CLT, DCA, PHL, MIA, NYC, PIT.
Republic also has agreements with both Delta and United Airlines.
Check out the route map. You'll be surprised. It's only going to grow bigger.
I hope the APA can put a stop on Envoy and their grouth of taking our AA jobs or at least put a limit on it. If the APA can be successful to some point we should all be grateful and should support them in any way.
https://rjet.com/about-republic-airline/our-bases-routes/

Of course Commuter flight companies provide feed to the mainline as well as point to point as their own businesses. The one you posted in particular provides feed to not just AA but Delta and United as well.

To try to write this as simple as honestly even I understand it. There are markets out there that just would not generate the revenue to afford a Mainline jet at the expense that employees of the mainline command. And except for Government subsidies to support the route other areas of the business are not going to prop up a route that can’t sustain itself.

1AA aside from the merger in TWU side Fleet we have increased headcount from around 8000 to 10,000 members. That’s due primarily to the additional work brought in from AA’s Mainline Aircraft order book coming online the last few years. (New Aircraft)

“Republic Airline Inc., operating as Republic Airline, is a regional airlinesubsidiary of Republic Airways Holdingsthat operates service as American Eagle, Delta Connection, and United Expressusing a fleet of Embraer 170 and Embraer 175 regional jets. It is headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana.[3] Its call sign "Brickyard" is derived from the nickname of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.”

 

[WeAAsles]

This is another reason I’m not overly concerned about any influx of Envoy flying encroaching on my work.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_fleet

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

ENVOY is no longer a feeder to major airline hubs as some of us think.
They fly routes in excess of 3 hours in some markets. I believe they call it point to point. Hub feeders went away with the days of turbo props that were limited to altitudes, airspeed and capacity. They have major routes to and from AA stations in CLT, DCA, PHL, MIA, NYC, PIT.
Republic also has agreements with both Delta and United Airlines.
Check out the route map. You'll be surprised. It's only going to grow bigger.
I hope the APA can put a stop on Envoy and their grouth of taking our AA jobs or at least put a limit on it. If the APA can be successful to some point we should all be grateful and should support them in any way.
https://rjet.com/about-republic-airline/our-bases-routes/

The APA is not going to stop AA managenment from deciding whether or not a route is best served by AA or the consortium of regionals flying under the American Eagle banner. Nor will it stop them from deciding to staff with either AA or Envoy. We have close to 30 mainline flights and are adding flights. We might have 7 regionals and many of those have upgraded to mainline hardware. Clearly with that amount of flights, Envoy shouldn't be here but execs are trying not to spend the cash on bringing back stations lost during bankruptcy.

 

[WeAAsles]

The APA is not going to stop AA managenment from deciding whether or not a route is best served by AA or the consortium of regionals flying under the American Eagle banner. Nor will it stop them from deciding to staff with either AA or Envoy. We have close to 30 mainline flights and are adding flights. We might have 7 regionals and many of those have upgraded to mainline hardware. Clearly with that amount of flights, Envoy shouldn't be here but execs are trying not to spend the cash on bringing back stations lost during bankruptcy.

The Company has publicly offered only to secure the currently staffed 40 Stations now Association occupied and is likely violating the TWU Contract to restaff cities over the agreed flight activity threshold while Negotiations continue. There have been grievances filed but so far the Company has been ignoring progressing on them.

Obviously the Company would prefer not to restaff if they can keep a cost savings at those locations. Aside from that if they restaff they have to commit to secure even more Stations than they offered.

This in house staffing of 2 Cities at Delta will be used against AA in Mediation.

 

[Kev3188]

Are those FT spots for internal candidates?

Yes.

If your friend is thinking about putting in for one, they're all already posted on our internal job site

I agree with it being more efficient. Some of these cities have no business being outsourced and this is coming from an Envoy guy. It just makes no sense with the high turnover rate. It is going to be interesting to see how your scope works out and affects stations like mine and BNA, ABQ, MSY, IND, and MEM. Yeah and the MBR is crazy in certain stations. It is however alot better than it used to be systemwide and is great here.

I know you were answering Crema, and I assume you're talking about AA. But FWIW at DL, all of those except ABQ are staffed with Mainline ramp.

 

[Talos]

company lost a FAA dispute over cuba with southwest...company is now in a fight with united over china flights 'dormant' out of ord.

at the same time, united, which earned more money than us in the last quarter, wants to fly a 2nd ewr-pvg...with a 777-300, not a 787.

this, after aa complained how jet fuel prices made ord-asia a loser. united has 90 flights a week to china and they earned more money than us. japan airlines will double it's nrt-ord flights next summer.

aa is the only airline that can't make money to asia?

the america west/us air big shooters show us all the time they may be in over their heads.

I don't have confidence in this mgmt team. Sure, Delta and United have the advantage to Asia with the routes from Northwest and Pan Am. But China routes you should keep utilizing as they were hard to come by. They are going to enact big changes to DFW and I guess we'll see how this turns out. You just get a feeling that this mgmt group just wants to do things cheaper no matter who suffers for it, including the customers.

 

[conehead777]

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We had very specific language on the prefunding company match. But that somehow made its way into the courts and we lost that. Nothing is guaranteed even if it's in writing because high dollar lawyers are paid the big bucks for a reason.

I was talking about the equity . As I understand that all 3 unions had the same deal. On prefunding. But we were the only union who lost equity due to retires suit.

 

[WeAAsles]

I was talking about the equity . As I understand that all 3 unions had the same deal. On prefunding. But we were the only union who lost equity due to retires suit.

Wrong again.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

The Company has publicly offered only to secure the currently staffed 40 Stations now Association occupied and is likely violating the TWU Contract to restaff cities over the agreed flight activity threshold while Negotiations continue. There have been grievances filed but so far the Company has been ignoring progressing on them.

Obviously the Company would prefer not to restaff if they can keep a cost savings at those locations. Aside from that if they restaff they have to commit to secure even more Stations than they offered.

This in house staffing of 2 Cities at Delta will be used against AA in Mediation.

I hope they are wise enough to bring it up Weas. We are way above the threshold as well. I thought it was a violation as well. I don't know if the NC even knows how many flights come in and out of there. We have our own negotiations going on now. There's no telling where that will lead.