American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Not an offer? Then what does the statement from Jetnet posted below mean? It says they proposed two significant improvements. If they did in fact propose this to the union, isn't that an "official offer"?

Team,

This week, negotiating teams for the company and the Association met for our last scheduled mediation session. Knowing the significance of this meeting, on the first day of talks, we proposed two very significant improvements to our current offer:

1. Increasing wages to match the new higher pay rates for applicable mechanic pay rates (AMTs, Inspectors, GSE/Facilities, and MCTs) in the Southwest tentative agreement.
2. Making the transition to American Airlines medical plans easier for IAM-represented team members by adding a one-time, $3,000 medical transition payment. Also, under our proposal, the PPO 100 plan would sunset at the end of 2019, but participants could remain in the PPO 80 and 90 plans until the end of 2020.

they did. but they stopped proposing written offers. Its a mexican standoff and verbal offers are not recognized.
The company wants out of the iam pension but the union hasnt relented. With a peb, strike, or arbitration, i dont anticipate the company coming thru on the verbal offers cuz it doesnt have to.
The union needs to relent otherwise we will get less imposed.

 

[WeAAsles]

I didnt say that i want to start out 3% over the highest paid and somewhat remain rhere

That is what the Company is offering. So technically if you want to accept what they claim is Industry leading, that’s what you’ll be getting.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not an offer? Then what does the statement from Jetnet posted below mean? It says they proposed two significant improvements. If they did in fact propose this to the union, isn't that an "official offer"?

Team,

This week, negotiating teams for the company and the Association met for our last scheduled mediation session. Knowing the significance of this meeting, on the first day of talks, we proposed two very significant improvements to our current offer:

1. Increasing wages to match the new higher pay rates for applicable mechanic pay rates (AMTs, Inspectors, GSE/Facilities, and MCTs) in the Southwest tentative agreement.
2. Making the transition to American Airlines medical plans easier for IAM-represented team members by adding a one-time, $3,000 medical transition payment. Also, under our proposal, the PPO 100 plan would sunset at the end of 2019, but participants could remain in the PPO 80 and 90 plans until the end of 2020.

Can you post a copy of all the fine print?

 

[WeAAsles]

Here's the reality. There are those who only care about scope, there are those who care only about medical. There are those who care only about the buyout. Every member has something they care about. We may not see and agree with the others' position.They should each have a chance to be counted. That's what a democratic process is.

Eventually I’m sure they will. It’s just that you and I don’t decide when that time comes.

And all in all everyone cares about the direct per hour wages first and everything else comes in second.

Again and again the Union has told you all that they have not been given a full proposal with all the details BUT you don’t believe them.

That’s on or up to you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The first step is the company needs to put out a full text proposal for the membership. The next step is pressuring the association to let the membership vote on it.
I don't care what big mouth videos are put out nor do I care what Jimmy Hoffa wannabe Samuelsen says about never putting his signature on a p.o.s. contract.
Let the membership decide. TRUST THE MEMBERSHIP!

Peterson has the full text proposal, why doesn't he put it out? He said on his podcast that the company did in fact put out a comprehensive offer but they haven't counter offered in a year. That is true because that is the last and final offer. The Southwest wages? Chit. They don't exist unless the union relents on the pension. The company would never put the southwest wages in written fashion without the union agreeing to the outstanding pension proposal. The pension proposal is a gap of millions of dollars going into the pockets of the pension, NOT us. It's inequitable but the pension is a deal breaker with Sito, so you can scrap the southwest wages being in the written offer that a PEB, arbitration will see and the southwest wages won't be imposed in a strike. So, the union is costing our mechanics thousands each month. Literally about $35,000 a year just due to the pension.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I wonder if Mr Baskett will now "Fess Up" his substantial salary increase he recommended for himself now that the truth is known. What we know with the DL142 salaries is that last year their salary was around $145. They received a 3% raise this year to boost their salaries to $150,000. Yet Mr Baskett lies and says he is making less than $140,000. WhyMarkWhy?

Members wanna know.

 

[scorpion 2]

Eventually I’m sure they will. It’s just that you and I don’t decide when that time comes.

And all in all everyone cares about the direct per hour wages first and everything else comes in second.

Again and again the Union has told you all that they have not been given a full proposal with all the details BUT you don’t believe them.

That’s on or up to you.

[QUOTE="WeAAsles, post: 1328

And all in all everyone cares about the direct per hour wages first and everything else comes in second.

Not everyone. What I’m looking at is vacation, holidays, sick time, double time, 9% 401 match (right at the top of the list) oh, and then a raise to boot. Not sure how you became the all knowing on this.
The raise will be nice but those other items have been gone for a long time and to get them back after 16 years will be a nice end to a bumpy career.

 

[swamt]

Hypothetical question: If the company sweetened their current offer with a million dollar signing bonus for every employee, but with the complete understanding that once this current work force retires they will be zero in house jobs, would your union let you vote on that?

NOPE! They sure would not. Industrial union.

 

[swamt]

[QUOTE="WeAAsles, post: 1328

And all in all everyone cares about the direct per hour wages first and everything else comes in second.

Not everyone. What I’m looking at is vacation, holidays, sick time, double time, 9% 401 match (right at the top of the list) oh, and then a raise to boot. Not sure how you became the all knowing on this.
The raise will be nice but those other items have been gone for a long time and to get them back after 16 years will be a nice end to a bumpy career.

Stop staring at the money being offered. Spend some time looking at the scope language. Scope language has way more cost affects. When will people learn this crap???

 

[swamt]

Here's the reality. There are those who only care about scope, there are those who care only about medical. There are those who care only about the buyout. Every member has something they care about. We may not see and agree with the others' position.They should each have a chance to be counted. That's what a democratic process is.

YES sir! Well said. Bring the vote out. And BTW, don't forget the "only caring about $$$" crowd as well. LOL.

 

[iluvaa]

After the display in TUL are you serious?

So what are you implying here? Tulsa is the only station that would vote yes? If you are we don’t have one fleet service agent here so it wouldn’t affect you anyway. But what I read from the tul turnout is a system wide issue, and that’s the ASS has close to zero support

 

[bigjets]

591 video, GP mentioned the $3k bonus at the 6 minute mark, saying AA will change payroll and take paychecks away. What does that mean? Sounds like a scare tactic but there could be more to it.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

591 video, GP mentioned the $3k bonus at the 6 minute mark, saying AA will change payroll and take paychecks away. What does that mean? Sounds like a scare tactic but there could be more to it.

He is referring to being switched to being paid in arrears. We will go to weekly paychecks. That 3k "bonus" is for the paycheck your going to be short when we switch over. No bonus at all. More company smoke and mirrors.

 

[Matt1200]

The union has been lying to us the whole time! Put the contract out and let the mechanics decide!!!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

So you’re looking at all the money aspects. Everything you mentioned only concerned money and nothing at all about Work Rules or Scope.