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American Airlines Wins Overhaul Contract For F100s

All we hear is "Outsourcing maintenance to foreigners is EVIL!!!"

Then, when someone (A South American group of airlines, no less) hires you to do their maintenance, it's "We wouldn't have this work if still got paid $5,000/year to work paid holidays!!!"

What it boils down to is this: "I'm mad because I've allowed myself to be screwed since at least 1983 (by my own union, to which I paid thousands in dues, no less) and now that I've finally decided to do something about it, it's too late to make a difference." 😀

"AMR is the devil - nothing it ever does will ever please me" and "AMFA can do no wrong - it is every workingman's salvation - the land of milk and honey is right around the corner - I know it is - if we just vote for Delle." "He won't screw us." 😀

Meanwhile, the suicides among former UAL AMTs continue. Thousands would give their eye teeth to work on these airplanes. For even less than you make.
 
Buck said:
cybercat said:
FWAAA said:
This is awful news. Tens of millions of dollars of extra maintenance work for AA's mechanics. 😛

What is a C check?

Thanks
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C Checks vary at different carriers or repair station. There are Heavy C Checks and Light C Checks.

It is a level a maintenance for overhaul of the aircraft.

American Airlines Aircraft Maintenance Procedures

American Airlines is proud of its maintenance record, procedures and employees. The airline performs 11 man-hours of maintenance for every one hour of flight time on its aircraft. The time frame for maintenance procedures is based on a combination of the number of hours the aircraft flies, the number of take-offs and landings (referred to as "cycles") it makes, plus the age of the aircraft. Here is a brief explanation of American’s maintenance check procedures:

"PS" Daily Checks
Every aircraft is checked every day in its "PS" (Periodic Service) check. The aircraft is visually inspected and its maintenance log book is checked for entries and maintenance needs. The "PS" check can be performed overnight or during downtime during the flight day. It averages approximately two man-hours.

"A" Checks
The "A" check is more detailed than the "PS" check. "A" checks are performed roughly once a week (approximately 60 flight hours). The "A" check is performed at one of 40 stations around American’s system. It averages 10 - 20 man-hours.

"B" Checks
The "B" check is an even more thorough maintenance check. The "B" check is done approximately once a month (roughly 300 - 500 flight hours). Besides specific service performed on the aircraft, a detailed series of systems and operational checks are performed. American always performs "B" checks inside one of its hangars at seven different cities around its system. A "B" check requires approximately 100 man-hours on narrowbody aircraft (those with only one aisle) and approximately 200 - 300 man-hours on widebody aircraft (those with two aisles).

"C" Checks
The "C" check is the most thorough type of maintenance work performed by American. The airframe - virtually the entire aircraft - goes through an exhaustive series of checks, inspections and overhaul work. It is performed at either of American’s heavy maintenance and engineering centers in Tulsa, Oklahoma or the Alliance Maintenance Facility in Fort Worth, Texas. There are different levels of "C" checks depending on the type of aircraft. These include:

Narrowbody "C" Checks
American does two types of "C" checks on its narrowbody planes. The first is a "Light C" check, which occurs approximately once a year. It requires approximately 2,100 man-hours and three days to accomplish. Every fourth "Light C" check becomes a "Heavy C" check. This check requires 20,000 - 30,000 man-hours and takes from three to five weeks to accomplish.

Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 15 - 18 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.

Jet Engine Overhauls
Modern jet engines are among the most reliable devices in aviation. American does not replace and overhaul jet engines at a specific number of hours. Instead, American uses a 24-hour-a-day "condition monitoring" process that scientifically tracks the condition of every engine on every aircraft. Besides visual inspection, technicians monitor the internal condition of every engine, using such procedures as boroscope inspections and oil sample spectographs. The goal is to replace and overhaul an engine before a problem can occur. Engine overhauls are performed at the Tulsa and Alliance-Fort Worth Maintenance and Engineering facilities. The engine replacement is usually performed at one of the six "B" check hangar locations around the country.
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You forgot the 0922 check!!
 
"PS" Daily Checks
Every aircraft is checked every day in its "PS" (Periodic Service) check. The aircraft is visually inspected and its maintenance log book is checked for entries and maintenance needs. The "PS" check can be performed overnight or during downtime during the flight day. It averages approximately two man-hours.

Well that's not true anymore.
 
No matter how you spin it, the fact still remains the TWU has been successful in bring work to its membership for long term survival ship at AA.

In the eyes of the likes of amfaboy and others this is bad news.

Question? Who is insourcing work more than any other Union?
 
Checking it Out said:
Question? Who is insourcing work more than any other Union?
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Never seen a union yet that insources work, that is a company function.
 
Deep down you know the Captain & Imperial Officer of the TWU survival ship is telling the truth. Who, among all the unions in the world, is responsible for the only SRP/OSM program in the industry, 5 paid holidays a year, the least vacation accrual of any airline, etc.. etc....., giving the compAAny a significant enough cost advantage that they can seek outside work??? Yep, the TWU. I predict that this same survival ship will dock at all the legacy carriers ports in the future. I predict that the TWU's superior methods and expert business savy will revolutionize this industry, making it the envy of every navy aviator. Thank you TWU.
 
Checking it Out said:
No matter how you spin it, the fact still remains the TWU has been successful in bring work to its membership for long term survival ship at AA.

In the eyes of the likes of amfaboy and others this is bad news.

Question? Who is insourcing work more than any other Union?
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Just answer this one you simpleton.

Why doesn't the TWU demand that the F100's be done at MCI to avoid the upcoming 600+ layoffs?
 
Does MCI possess the necessary tooling? TWA never flew Fokkers - wouldn't any necessary tooling be at TULE?

Sadly, those MCI layoffs are gonna happen regardless.

The reality is that TULE and AFW will probably see layoffs if the insourcing efforts are unsuccessful. This work merely postpones the inevitable.
 
FWAAA said:
Does MCI possess the necessary tooling? TWA never flew Fokkers - wouldn't any necessary tooling be at TULE?

Sadly, those MCI layoffs are gonna happen regardless.

The reality is that TULE and AFW will probably see layoffs if the insourcing efforts are unsuccessful. This work merely postpones the inevitable.
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<_< Come on people! The F100 is TUL work! We don't have the tooling or training! Oh, we could do the job, but not near as efficiently! Now Mr.Ramano!!! What about the MD-80 line you promised MCI, if you got this contract??????
 
cio,
"No matter how you spin it, the fact still remains the TWU has been successful in bring work to its membership for long term survival ship at AA."

Can you tell us who in the twu negotiated the contract for the Fokker aircraft?

Also, can you answer MCI's question about the MD80 work promised MCI?
 
MCI transplant said:
<_< Come on people! The F100 is TUL work! We don't have the tooling or training! Oh, we could do the job, but not near as efficiently! Now Mr.Ramano!!! What about the MD-80 line you promised MCI, if you got this contract??????
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Ramano must have been kidding. And as far as the tooling at MCIE is concerned I believe, and have witnessed, AA move docks and tooling south so quick ya wonder if elves were involved. MCIE is not in AA's future,plain and simple...MCIE will be AA's first step to going 100% OUTSOURCING OF HEAVY MAINTENANCE. *speculation on my part of course*

AFW and TULE...you're next...enjoy!
 

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