AMFA DEAL TO END STRIKE

[tech2101]

The scab-wanna-be-list still figures in to the agreement. The difference between five and ten severance packages. I didn't say you had to be on it to be recalled. If you don't want to quit and don't have a chance at recall, you can stay on layoff. Me??? If, (and thats a big if) this POS passes, I'm quitting. For all practical purposes I have already decided never to return to nwa. :down:
From Dennis Sutton:
We will be at UAW Local 174 all day on oct 18th 9am to 9pm.Meetings at noon and 6pm.
Dennis....

I'm 3 hours away but I'm going to the meetin'. It's the first time since the strike we've had to vote on something. Show up and get a feel for what is really going on. It may help if we have some of our "cooler" heads at the meeting. 😉

I'm with you there Don. I am now making more than I would be in 2011 under that agreement.

I will not be going back. If this passes, they will get my resignation. My hope is that if this passes, they recall many of the honorable striking members, then have a realignment, followed by a layoff. Now that would be funny. All the newly hired scabs and the scabs that NWA had previously layed off would then be gone, leaving only the most senior members who actually want to work there.

 

[groundcontrol]

I'm with you there Don. I am now making more than I would be in 2011 under that agreement.

I will not be going back. If this passes, they will get my resignation. My hope is that if this passes, they recall many of the honorable striking members, then have a realignment, followed by a layoff. Now that would be funny. All the newly hired scabs and the scabs that NWA had previously layed off would then be gone, leaving only the most senior members who actually want to work there.

That would be funny...
I am having a hard time with this t/a basically because it is asking you to vote for severance and/or lay-off. It allows you to vote if you want flight bennies, your accrued vaca pay, etc...But what it doesn't say is how many people NW plans to re-hire, where, when, etc...When you get right down to it, this contract isn't even about jobs. Why did we go on strike?

 

[Don Smith]

That would be funny...
I am having a hard time with this t/a basically because it is asking you to vote for severance and/or lay-off. It allows you to vote if you want flight bennies, your accrued vaca pay, etc...But what it doesn't say is how many people NW plans to re-hire, where, when, etc...When you get right down to it, this contract isn't even about jobs. Why did we go on strike?

Well the where is DTW/MSP only. Forget about working any out station...those days are gone.
The when is "sometime" after DOS. A mythical point in time.
How many is the hard question. They are doing it (albeit badly) with the 1,000 + or - that are there now. I don't really think they are going to recall any. If they wanted to they would have done it already from the wanna-be SCAB list.
My guess is that they have some money left in the $100M contingency fund and they will pay off the vacation and severences out of that, then say, "look creditors, we have an agreement with our mechanics". The amount is a lot less now than last year since so many guys have taken retirement, quit to get 401K funds, etc. Our numbers are lower so it costs them less now to reconcile us.

 

[Bob Owens]

It isn't a 'bad thing' and as a 41%er from the UA vote, and NWA picketer, I ask everyone here, when did you last walk the line?

UT

I'll admit that I havent walked the line since last year, but then again I think they stopped walking in New York around then. I know I went there one day and nobody was there.

I would say that NWA wants an agreement so they can be under better terms to exit BK, so why give them what they want? I would vote "No". Let the stigma of a strike stay with NWA till they offer something better. What they are offering is crap.

 

[groundcontrol]

Union Question:

What happens to a SIGNED Union contract and Company contract if the Union decertifies?

Is it still a binding contract?

 

[robbedagain]

GC I dont believe it is a binding agreement if the union is decertified if that is what your asking.. but if your asking if the union decertifies the vote, then i think sadly the company aint going to pay the severance not sure though

 

[Necrophilias]

Union Question:

What happens to a SIGNED Union contract and Company contract if the Union decertifies?

Is it still a binding contract?

Here lies the crux of the problem. A contract with a certified union never expires but rather is amended.

Once a union has decertified itself it's a lot like saying "how do you want it"? At this point there is no bargaining unit to contest any actions taken by the employer.

In the case of NW you have such an absence of unity among the rank and file employees that NW can pick apart one union after another. This really cannot be a workplace of preference.

I hope this helps.

 

[Kev3188]

Here's another question...or two...or three...or four:

If this were to be ratified, what does the status of the replacement workers become? Would they be covered under the AMFA agreement? If they aren't able to become full fledged members of the union, what then? Does the AMFA CBA still contain "closed shop" language (I'm guessing it was some of the first language to go...)?

 

[Union Member on Strike]

Anyone who votes yes on this piece of crap TA is selfish pure and simple. Do people realize with a yes vote they not only screw themselves but all the workers that follow us? I hear people say I need closure or I just want it to end. These people will happily take all the benefits of organized labor, but bend over when the time comes to stand up and fight. It just makes me sick.

I say let the strike continue until NWA provides adequate compensation for those who lost their jobs. The only contract I will even consider voting yes on is one that, (1) Fills all current positions in seniority order. Senior Techs replace any junior tech currently working. (2) One year severance at wages received on last day worked at NWA. So strikers get pay at old wage scale. (3) All stock must be purchased back at agreed amount written in previous contract with interest. Until then they can shove that ten week severance were the sun don’t shine. If anyone feels this is asking for to much, then I say you under value you true worth to this company, and the company propaganda machine has worked well on you.

 

[Spock]

Here's another question...or two...or three...or four:

If this were to be ratified, what does the status of the replacement workers become? Would they be covered under the AMFA agreement? If they aren't able to become full fledged members of the union, what then? Does the AMFA CBA still contain "closed shop" language (I'm guessing it was some of the first language to go...)?

Kev, if it does pass - open shop and they are considered members. Interesting from DTW, of the scabs that have been fired - the in house ones filed grievances. The out house scabs left. AMFA still has to represent everyone - even during an imposed contract because their they're the recognized union on the property (RLA).

 

[Don Smith]

Kev, if it does pass - open shop and they are considered members. Interesting from DTW, of the scabs that have been fired - the in house ones filed grievances. The out house scabs left. AMFA still has to represent everyone - even during an imposed contract because their they're the recognized union on the property (RLA).

When you told me this I couldn't believe the gall of these guys. They get fired as SCABS then have the nerve to come to the union and file a greivance. Un-believable :down:
My question now is, if this POS passes, will the SCABs automatically have dues taken out since there is an agreement that covers them? That would be a kick in the head wouldn't it? Lets add insult to injury and then make their dues retro to the date they crossed the picket line. I mean, if they think they have representation (by filing greivances) then they should pay the union dues.

 

[Necrophilias]

Here's another question...or two...or three...or four:

If this were to be ratified, what does the status of the replacement workers become? Would they be covered under the AMFA agreement? If they aren't able to become full fledged members of the union, what then? Does the AMFA CBA still contain "closed shop" language (I'm guessing it was some of the first language to go...)?

Kev,

I suspect that the majority of SCABS would sign "dues objection cards" thus allowing them to pay something like 0 to $20 per month.

The union language would likely not allow for a "dual union/non union" workplace. It would take many years for seniority rights to straighten out he mess created by NW and SCABS.

In a technical sense SCABS would fall under the union contract. I suspect that SCABS might not realize the most active form of representation. If history of such disputes has taught us anything it would be that SCABS usually don't fair well once a settlement is reached. In such a scenario it's best to read the new agreement thoroughly if it is passed. This is dry reading but you can't afford to simply listen to me or anyone else when the stakes are so high. MAKE TIME TO READ AND UNDERSTAND ANY AGREEMENT THAT CAN OR WILL EFFECT YOUR EMPLOYMENT. This is the key.

 

[UAL_TECH]

I'll admit that I havent walked the line since last year, but then again I think they stopped walking in New York around then. I know I went there one day and nobody was there.

I would say that NWA wants an agreement so they can be under better terms to exit BK, so why give them what they want? I would vote "No". Let the stigma of a strike stay with NWA till they offer something better. What they are offering is crap.

I last walked on the NWA Strike anniversary and the turnout at SFO (IMHO) should be considered abysmal at best. :down:

Being a 41%er, I believe you know my resolve. But it is not my decision to make.

If I were in their situation (which is far worse than my last UAL 'NO' vote), I would cast another 'NO' and be looking for the "F'NO" checkbox!!!

But that is my personal opinion that is apparently not shared with the rest of my 'Union' Brothers and Sisters.

Take Care,
B) UT

 

[jenny@nw]

Big Daddy is voting NO and he has 300 hrs + vac.

 

[groundcontrol]

Big Daddy is voting NO and he has 300 hrs + vac.

Big Daddy sounds like a smart man....

I say if you're not happy with it you vote NO.
I hear a lot bit##ing about it, yet they state that they will be voting yes!

I just don't get some most people.