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AMFA National Officers come to Miami

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November 14[sup]th[/sup], 2012

10am until 6pm


Informational Meeting will be held on South side of American Airlines Parking structure​
In the courtyard behind MDPD Building.​
 
Ask Seham how many cases did he take forward last year for over a half million dollars last year? 2,700 members and he sucks up that much in legal fees? Wow! No wonder why he is excited and doing his best used car sales pitch on the video. Add another 8,000 members and he will be up to $1.5M in legal fees for his firm. Sweet deal.
 
Ask Seham how many cases did he take forward last year for over a half million dollars last year? 2,700 members and he sucks up that much in legal fees? Wow! No wonder why he is excited and doing his best used car sales pitch on the video. Add another 8,000 members and he will be up to $1.5M in legal fees for his firm. Sweet deal.
Overspeed

If you showed as much concern for your class and craft as you do putting down AMFA you might do something possitive to effect change. The TWU needs to go away, they have failed here at AA.
No matter what happens after we get AMFA here, the scammers of the TWU will be gone.
The membership will have shown the company for once that we will only put up with so much corruption from the TWU. Little, Vadetich,Gless,Drumman, and all the others who have taken big pay checks at the Intl while the AMT's have taken cuts will be gone and I think that in itself will make most AMT's here at AA Happy.

Come to Miami and talk to them your self you seem to know so much. Show us here in Miami that we are wrong for signing cards to bring a change. Its open to all.

Safety in the Air begins with Quality maintenance on the Ground.....

Sign an AMFA card and lets show the TWU the door.
 
Ask Seham how many cases did he take forward last year for over a half million dollars last year? 2,700 members and he sucks up that much in legal fees? Wow! No wonder why he is excited and doing his best used car sales pitch on the video. Add another 8,000 members and he will be up to $1.5M in legal fees for his firm. Sweet deal.

Sweet deal?

You mean one like an APPOINTED twu atd officer has? One where they don't take concessions like the membership does? Yet they continue to take pay raises?

Bobby "Lower your expectations." gless sure has a sweet deal!

GO AMFA!
 
Ask Seham how many cases did he take forward last year for over a half million dollars last year? 2,700 members and he sucks up that much in legal fees? Wow! No wonder why he is excited and doing his best used car sales pitch on the video. Add another 8,000 members and he will be up to $1.5M in legal fees for his firm. Sweet deal.


Oh please give it a break will you. Go to Miami and ask your questions directly to the guys that can answer them. If not stop acting foolishly on this forum. It does nothing to improve your creditability here.
 
I can only speak for what Lee Seham did for Mark batschelet and Will Shirley. Full Back and no disciplinary action. Yes he made money off of them. According to Mark and Will that was money well spent. Two OSM's who had no confidence in their local with regards to getting their jobs back. Amfa chose to pay Lee Seham. Did we, the membership, choose our ATD TWU leaders and their salaries? I think not.

Read the Batschelet et al at http://www.ssplaw.com
 
Add another 8,000 members and he will be up to $1.5M in legal fees for his firm. Sweet deal.

Maybe he doesnt use the same formula that you espouse, such as saying that Union leaders who on average represent members who dont earn much above poverty level wages, deserve a higher salary because they have more members than a union leader who secures very high wages for his members but has fewer members, case in point TWU vs APA.

Its clear that in your view of Unionism, Business Unionism to be more precise, members are not the owners of a Union, they are a commodity to be sold for the benefit of the top officials of the union. That type of mentality justifies seeking increased membership at the expense of discounting workers labor, then using the fact that there are more members to do the opposite for the top officials. Its clear that in your view of unionism its the top officials that should reap the benefits of the Union. Look at us, we pay over $600 a year to belong to a Union that gets us lower wages than non-union, less holidays than non-union, less vacation than non-union, and work rules that are no better than non-union then you come here and say that the leader of our union should get a high wage because he sells our labor at a discounted rate. We dont need a Union to discount our labor, we join unions to prevent that.

So what benefit does the mechanic in New York, Miami, Los Angelos, Dallas or Chicago get from being in this Union if it means he is to pay $600 a year to get much less than non-union workers doing the same job in the same location? More of us making less? That to me sounds like AA benefits from us being in a union more than we do. They get more workers, and get them for below market rates thanks to the fact that we are in a union, they get the labor of more than one worker for less than the price of one worker, geat deal for the company, then, according to you, the Union leaders who cant get voted out by the members deserve a higher wage because they have more members, good deal for them, but for the worker who gets less pay for more work its not such a good deal and thats not how being a union member is supposed to work. Business Unionists like you are destroying true unionism in this country.

Seham is a lawyer, educated and licensed to practice law, and yes he probaly earns a high salary, and from this thread he has gotten favorable results. I know of a coworker here at JFK who was terminated and he went out and hired Seham and Seham got him his job back. We pay Gless, who has no college education $180 K, Videtich $150k, Conley $190K, well over half a million and they pushed and brought back the worst deal in the industry and told us only reasons, along with thinly veiled threats and other "certainties of calimity should we reject" that the pilots have proven to be uncertain, in order to get it ratified. Who is really getting the sweet deal here? YOU?
 
Maybe he doesnt use the same formula that you espouse, such as saying that Union leaders who on average represent members who dont earn much above poverty level wages, deserve a higher salary because they have more members than a union leader who secures very high wages for his members but has fewer members, case in point TWU vs APA.

Its clear that in your view of Unionism, Business Unionism to be more precise, members are not the owners of a Union, they are a commodity to be sold for the benefit of the top officials of the union. That type of mentality justifies seeking increased membership at the expense of discounting workers labor, then using the fact that there are more members to do the opposite for the top officials. Its clear that in your view of unionism its the top officials that should reap the benefits of the Union. Look at us, we pay over $600 a year to belong to a Union that gets us lower wages than non-union, less holidays than non-union, less vacation than non-union, and work rules that are no better than non-union then you come here and say that the leader of our union should get a high wage because he sells our labor at a discounted rate. We dont need a Union to discount our labor, we join unions to prevent that.

So what benefit does the mechanic in New York, Miami, Los Angelos, Dallas or Chicago get from being in this Union if it means he is to pay $600 a year to get much less than non-union workers doing the same job in the same location? More of us making less? That to me sounds like AA benefits from us being in a union more than we do. They get more workers, and get them for below market rates thanks to the fact that we are in a union, they get the labor of more than one worker for less than the price of one worker, geat deal for the company, then, according to you, the Union leaders who cant get voted out by the members deserve a higher wage because they have more members, good deal for them, but for the worker who gets less pay for more work its not such a good deal and thats not how being a union member is supposed to work. Business Unionists like you are destroying true unionism in this country.

Seham is a lawyer, educated and licensed to practice law, and yes he probaly earns a high salary, and from this thread he has gotten favorable results. I know of a coworker here at JFK who was terminated and he went out and hired Seham and Seham got him his job back. We pay Gless, who has no college education $180 K, Videtich $150k, Conley $190K, well over half a million and they pushed and brought back the worst deal in the industry and told us only reasons, along with thinly veiled threats and other "certainties of calimity should we reject" that the pilots have proven to be uncertain, in order to get it ratified. Who is really getting the sweet deal here? YOU?
If that firm is so good why did USAPA and the APA fire them? Because they are incompetent and anti-labor.

Worst deal in the industry? Bob are you that thick? AMFA went from 18,000 to 2,700 members in six years. AMFA and their winning legal firm kicked ass protecting their jobs and earnings didn't they. But that's what you want Bob, off load those pesky overhaul members so you and Ken can get your geo-pay. And if Pike and his Board are so awesome why did those two have to hire and outside attorney? Could it be the local leadership and not the Int'l screwed their own members? Seems like the Local Presidents of the Loyal Order of Vote No are the real waste of money.

Bob did you sign your AMFA card yet? You obviously hate the TWU but love receiving your $22K on top of your regular wages, all expense paid trips on your junkets all over the system, weekends off, day shift, and flexible hours. Your buddy Ken likes selling out union jobs for a plaque to the ARSA and AA Corporate, accepting favors from Don V, and getting more protection from the TWU because of his harassment of ex-TWA and AA AMTs that wouldn't let him sleep on midnights.
 
If that firm is so good why did USAPA and the APA fire them? Because they are incompetent and anti-labor.

Worst deal in the industry? Bob are you that thick? AMFA went from 18,000 to 2,700 members in six years. AMFA and their winning legal firm kicked ass protecting their jobs and earnings didn't they. But that's what you want Bob, off load those pesky overhaul members so you and Ken can get your geo-pay. And if Pike and his Board are so awesome why did those two have to hire and outside attorney? Could it be the local leadership and not the Int'l screwed their own members? Seems like the Local Presidents of the Loyal Order of Vote No are the real waste of money.

Guess you can't understand the point Bob has been trying to make that concessions for jobs has failed.

Josh
 
If that firm is so good why did USAPA and the APA fire them? Because they are incompetent and anti-labor.

Worst deal in the industry? Bob are you that thick? AMFA went from 18,000 to 2,700 members in six years. AMFA and their winning legal firm kicked ass protecting their jobs and earnings didn't they. But that's what you want Bob, off load those pesky overhaul members so you and Ken can get your geo-pay. And if Pike and his Board are so awesome why did those two have to hire and outside attorney? Could it be the local leadership and not the Int'l screwed their own members? Seems like the Local Presidents of the Loyal Order of Vote No are the real waste of money.

Bob did you sign your AMFA card yet? You obviously hate the TWU but love receiving your $22K on top of your regular wages, all expense paid trips on your junkets all over the system, weekends off, day shift, and flexible hours. Your buddy Ken likes selling out union jobs for a plaque to the ARSA and AA Corporate, accepting favors from Don V, and getting more protection from the TWU because of his harassment of ex-TWA and AA AMTs that wouldn't let him sleep on midnights.

AMFA must be a BIG threat to you since you come across as AMFA being a small player. Sounds to me you are threatened by AMFA. So Size does matter to you in this case. Big or small you feel threatened. If not then you would not spend so much time dribbling your hog wash. Why not spend some of your time and go down to Miami and face the ELECTED officers with your claims? Do you have what it takes to go face to face? Prove it to us that you do. Then maybe we can start believing you for once.
I doubt you have what it takes to go up against these little guys from a little union that you feel so threatened.
 
AMFA must be a BIG threat to you since you come across as AMFA being a small player. Sounds to me you are threatened by AMFA. So Size does matter to you in this case. Big or small you feel threatened. If not then you would not spend so much time dribbling your hog wash. Why not spend some of your time and go down to Miami and face the ELECTED officers with your claims? Do you have what it takes to go face to face? Prove it to us that you do. Then maybe we can start believing you for once.
I doubt you have what it takes to go up against these little guys from a little union that you feel so threatened.
AMFA isn't a threat to me. If they get in I agree, I will get a big pay raise. I have more than enough seniority to stay on while about 5,000 or more lose their jobs. I have said many times that I am not okay with that. Bob, Ken, you, and many others are apparently okay with letting fellow union brothers that pay dues, just like Bob's JFK buddies, pay for your pay raise through having their jobs outsourced.

Just tell the truth. AMFA has a jobs for pay mentality, a LOT of jobs for a pay raise for a few. Either way you look at it, AMFA has provided higher pay for far less people. There is no other way to slice it. The facts speak for themselves. They had 18,000 members and now 2,700 in less than ten years. Yes we took concessions in 2003 but we would have had $38 two years ago if we had said yes in 2010 and the base would have been making $34 but for Bob and his vote no coalition that wasn't good enough. His group, and the AMFA group, want more and they are willing to give up as many jobs in order to claim the top pay trophy. The problem is they don't care that only a few will be raising that trophy and there is no participation trophy for the thousands that lose their jobs. The ones who get sacrificed for the craft in their view are expendable.
 
Worst deal in the industry? Bob are you that thick? AMFA went from 18,000 to 2,700 members in six years.

There you go again, spin , spin spin. Where did those 15000 go? You leave out the fact that the majority of those 15000 (except those who retired) are still in the industry and most make a lot more than we do, they get more paid time off than if they were at AA, more Holidays even if they started with a new carrier and more sick time. Some of them regularly post here, and at least 5000 are over at UAL. Once again its all about how many dues payers there are not about the quality of the job.


But that's what you want Bob, off load those pesky overhaul members so you and Ken can get your geo-pay.

Once again, your spin. When did I ever say that? The fact is what would be the point of having GEO pay if there was no OH?

And if Pike and his Board are so awesome why did those two have to hire and outside attorney?

??? Ask them.



Bob did you sign your AMFA card yet? You obviously hate the TWU but love receiving your $22K on top of your regular wages, all expense paid trips on your junkets all over the system, weekends off, day shift, and flexible hours.

Now you sound like Gillespie. I dont hate the TWU, I hate what your kind is doing to it. The TWU was founded by among others Mike Quill, who used the organizational tactics of the IRA to beat the bosses and establish a Union where many had failed before. Your kind is actually embarrased by that, I'm not. I take pride in that and I'm sure if he saw what your kind was doing to his legacy he would be turning in his grave. Why dont you just make it official and just go into management?

By the way I had day shift, weekends off and flexible hours before I was elected, and the $22k that I recieve on top of my wages still leaves me behind what a mechanic at UPS, WN or Fed Ex makes on just their 40 hour week and behind what mechanics at UAL, CAL and Delta make with less hours than I put in.

By the time our contract becomes amendable our OH will likely be a fraction of what it was, and our compensation will still be dead last. Still have the least amount of vacation, the least amount of Holidays, sick time etc. M&R, according to Gless will have gone from a peak of around 18000 to less than 8000. However the 10000 loss will not just dues payers that are gone, they will be jobs that are gone.

Mechanics at American have the worst deal in the industry. Show me which of our competitors treat their mechanics worse.

Mechanics at American have the worst deal in the industry. Show me which of our competitors treat their mechanics worse.
 

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