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Amr first quarter reusults

You need to learn to read between the lines better. Yes, AA's $436M loss is an inprovement over a $505M loss when you consider the fact that fuel prices were up between 30 and 40%. Hedging absorbed some of it, but so did cost control.

Had fuel not been up, AA might have actually posted a positive number.
 
You need to learn to read between the lines better. Yes, AA's $436M loss is an inprovement over a $505M loss when you consider the fact that fuel prices were up between 30 and 40%. Hedging absorbed some of it, but so did cost control.

Had fuel not been up, AA might have actually posted a positive number.
people on this forum need to go back to school for basic math.....fuel increased by 351M over 2010, therefore, with all the cost controls in place AMR would have lost 85M. For those that don't know...351- 436=(-85). Still lost money and highly leveraged adding an additional 1.5B to an already crushing debt level. Not a good way of running a company, and I didn't attend business school.
Just a side note about leveraging....it seems that business schools may want to rethink the way they're teaching students about running a business. The Los Angeles Dodgers owner Frank McCourt may have been Arpey's roommate because the Dodgers are in deep sh&t too. Why? Highly leveraged! McCourt just borrowed 30M to meet payroll. It was said that McCourt owned a construction company in Boston, again, highly leveraged. AMR is no different, and may meet the same fate as McCourt if they keep borrowing to meet cash minimums required by creditors. But, some day the creditors will make the call, and AMR will file.
 
Ok, fuel was only up 24% in 1Q. Reading the reports on a Blackberry is a bit difficult.

Yet, when you look at things like revenues being up 9% (cargo was up 10%), maintenance expense being down 11%, the numbers are an improvement, especially if you factor out all of the out-of-AA's-control items like:

1) fuel farm fire
2) ice storms before the Super Bowl
3) blizzards in Chicago and the northeast
4) Japanese tsunami
5) Japanese nuclear accident

And you can guarantee that softness in anyone else's numbers are going to focus in on any combination of those five items...

It's a loss, but look beyond just the math, and it's not as bad as a lot of people expected.

Borrowing to pay salaries is always a bad idea. AA's not borrowing to pay salaries as far as I can tell. It looks like they're refinancing existing debt for the most part. But that game can only go on so long as well. At some point, people won't be willing to refinance it. But I think that's a long ways off.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe under Arpey AA has had only ONE profitable year out of the last 8 years of concessions.

It was two years; 2006 and 2007. Then came 2008 and jet fuel in excess of $3/gal. 2009 saw the "greatest recession since the Great Depression," according to our President. 2010 saw fuel substantially higher than 2009. So far in 2011, fuel looks like a repeat of 2008.

I said it before...these guys are purposely sabotaging the ops in order to cry poor during negotiations. Absolutely pathetic!

Uh, sure. Similarly, the captain of the Titanic hit the iceberg so they wouldn't have to pay the crew for the entire voyage.

Yes, AA has purposely sabotaged the finances of the airline just so it can "pretend to be poor" when faced with pay raise demands from its employees.

Leaving behind the paranoid delusions of the above for just a moment - AA's mainline yield for the first quarter exceeded UA/CO's mainline yield: 14.18 at AA v. 13.97 at UA/CO.

Problem was, AA's higher average fares cost it some load factor and thus, caused AA to report a smaller PRASM number than UA/CO: 10.92 at AA v. 11.00 at UA/CO.

Significance? Raise fares too much, and load factor falls. In the first quarter, AA is to be commended for raising fares to try to pay for higher fuel prices. UA/CO management is to be commended for raising fares as well, but not so much that it cost as much load factor - causing UA/CO to bring in more revenue per ASM than AA.
 
1And you can guarantee that softness in anyone else's numbers are going to focus in on any combination of those five items...

It's a loss, but look beyond just the math, and it's not as bad as a lot of people expected.
That's the problem with corporate america and wall street, in general. Share prices are based on performance, as compared to previous years. But, a loss is a loss. Does it matter if you lose 436M or 505M? For the company, it's still BAD! I mean, isn't it bad if families spend more than they make, and continuously dip into savings. It's called fiscal irresponsibility. Households are doing it, local & state governments are doing it, and our federal government is doing it, and most if not all corporations are in the habit of spending more than they bring in. The problem with corporations is lots of REAL people work and depend on the company to provide and live a decent lifestyle. When corporations get in trouble it affects lots of people, and not only their own employees but their vendors as well. No different than dads and moms become fiscally irresponsible that it affects their children's future.
As an employee of AA I don't feel safe or secure when I see management being fiscally irresponsible, and continuously borrowing in order to appease wall street. In my opinion, BK in this country should be abolished. So, when a company or household can't pay it's bills they are forced into immediate liquidation. Only then will corporate america, households and goverments be held accountable for being fiscally irresponsible.
 
Ok, fuel was only up 24% in 1Q. Reading the reports on a Blackberry is a bit difficult.

Yet, when you look at things like revenues being up 9% (cargo was up 10%), maintenance expense being down 11%, the numbers are an improvement, especially if you factor out all of the out-of-AA's-control items like:

1) fuel farm fire
2) ice storms before the Super Bowl
3) blizzards in Chicago and the northeast
4) Japanese tsunami
5) Japanese nuclear accident

And you can guarantee that softness in anyone else's numbers are going to focus in on any combination of those five items...

It's a loss, but look beyond just the math, and it's not as bad as a lot of people expected.

Borrowing to pay salaries is always a bad idea. AA's not borrowing to pay salaries as far as I can tell. It looks like they're refinancing existing debt for the most part. But that game can only go on so long as well. At some point, people won't be willing to refinance it. But I think that's a long ways off.


We need to take Japan out of the equation. We have 6 flights a day to Japan if you include the suspended NRT and HND flights. Hardly a significant number out of the American Airlines network. We have more seats out of Cancun! But I guess they had to blame something beyond the typical winter storms that happen EVERY year. Excuses excuses excuses!
 
Leaving behind the paranoid delusions of the above for just a moment - AA's mainline yield for the first quarter exceeded UA/CO's mainline yield: 14.18 at AA v. 13.97 at UA/CO.
Look, you can call it delusional or paranoia, and you can throw out all sorts of meaningless numbers, but the bottom line is AMR is in deep sh%t. You can blame the front line employees and unions, but ultimately management holds the purse strings, and are mismanaging this company. Comparing AA to UA, CO, DL, and any other airline doesn't matter. They're all mismanaged and at-risk of default. This is like comparing people that are all in BK. Does it matter if you're 100K in the hole or a million? You're still in BK.
When I said sabotaging the ops I meant putting the company further into the red, and closer to being at-risk of defaulting. Adding 1.5B to your already enormous debt level puts you closer to being at-risk of defaulting. Does it not?
 
Ban bankruptcy for families and make them liquidate?

Sorry, you have to sell your house (for less than you own, by the way) to pay off debts, and go live on the streets. Hope you have a job within walking distance, because you just lost your cars to pay off debts, too.

And just how much value do you want to place on children being sold at a liquidation sale?....

The system may not be perfect, but I'll take the imperfect system over what happens to people who run on bad luck in places like India or Africa... who probably still sell their children to pay debts in some cultures...
 
Ban bankruptcy for families and make them liquidate?

Sorry, you have to sell your house (for less than you own, by the way) to pay off debts, and go live on the streets. Hope you have a job within walking distance, because you just lost your cars to pay off debts, too.

And just how much value do you want to place on children being sold at a liquidation sale?....

The system may not be perfect, but I'll take the imperfect system over what happens to people who run on bad luck in places like India or Africa... who probably still sell their children to pay debts in some cultures...
So, are you a proponent of fiscal irresponsibility? use your credit card until you can't pay anymore? spend more than your income?
Hey, if I knew that by spending more than I can afford will lead me to the streets....my bet is that I will live within my means, and others will follow as well. Local and federal governments would stop taking from peter to pay paul. BK is too easy. The end result is lack of accountability, high unemployment, and massive deficits. Welcome to 2011!
 
We need to take Japan out of the equation. We have 6 flights a day to Japan if you include the suspended NRT and HND flights. Hardly a significant number out of the American Airlines network. We have more seats out of Cancun! But I guess they had to blame something beyond the typical winter storms that happen EVERY year. Excuses excuses excuses!

Japan is an insignificant part of AA's network? Those six flights probably account for half a billion dollars or more of revenue in a good year. In 2011, the revenue from those flights may be cut by a substantial percentage. Delta has already announced that the Japan disaster will probably cost it $400 million or more this year. AA is much smaller in Japan than DL but the disruption in Japan will easily cost AA a hundred million dollars or more this year.

This past winter's storms caused more disruption in Chicago and New York than the typical winter.
 
Sorry, you have to sell your house (for less than you own, by the way) to pay off debts, and go live on the streets. Hope you have a job within walking distance, because you just lost your cars to pay off debts, too.

And what perpetrators contributed to making your house worth less? Ahhhhhhhhh, bankers, politicians, wall street.....the beat goes on, brother!
 
You need to learn to read between the lines better. Yes, AA's $436M loss is an inprovement over a $505M loss when you consider the fact that fuel prices were up between 30 and 40%. Hedging absorbed some of it, but so did cost control.

Had fuel not been up, AA might have actually posted a positive number.


people on this forum need to go back to school for basic math.....fuel increased by 351M over 2010, therefore, with all the cost controls in place AMR would have lost 85M. For those that don't know...351- 436=(-85). Still lost money and highly leveraged adding an additional 1.5B to an already crushing debt level. Not a good way of running a company, and I didn't attend business school.
somehow you math majors forgot that the fare increases would not have gone through if fuel had not gone up.... AA like other airlines increased fares BECAUSE of fuel and the revenue increase would not have occurred absent the increase in fuel.
Further, AA DID cover its increased cost of fuel as did most carriers who have reported.
The sole reason why AA's loss narrowed was because they increased capacity - essentially using their employees and fleet more productively and thus generated revenue faster than the increase in fuel prices... other carriers have done the same thing. AS was up almost 7% in productivity.

Ok, fuel was only up 24% in 1Q. Reading the reports on a Blackberry is a bit difficult.

Yet, when you look at things like revenues being up 9% (cargo was up 10%), maintenance expense being down 11%, the numbers are an improvement, especially if you factor out all of the out-of-AA's-control items like:

1) fuel farm fire
2) ice storms before the Super Bowl
3) blizzards in Chicago and the northeast
4) Japanese tsunami
5) Japanese nuclear accident

And you can guarantee that softness in anyone else's numbers are going to focus in on any combination of those five items...

It's a loss, but look beyond just the math, and it's not as bad as a lot of people expected.

Borrowing to pay salaries is always a bad idea. AA's not borrowing to pay salaries as far as I can tell. It looks like they're refinancing existing debt for the most part. But that game can only go on so long as well. At some point, people won't be willing to refinance it. But I think that's a long ways off.
spare us.... the NE and SE was far harder hit by repeated bad weather than the midwest which got wallopped by not near as often.
What was the date for the fuel farm fire... ? seems like it was only a couple weeks ago, not in March.
Try again on Japan.... UA which has a much larger Japanese operation managed to INCREASE RASM in the 1st quarter -by double digits.

Japan is an insignificant part of AA's network? Those six flights probably account for half a billion dollars or more of revenue in a good year. In 2011, the revenue from those flights may be cut by a substantial percentage. Delta has already announced that the Japan disaster will probably cost it $400 million or more this year. AA is much smaller in Japan than DL but the disruption in Japan will easily cost AA a hundred million dollars or more this year.

This past winter's storms caused more disruption in Chicago and New York than the typical winter.
AA flies 4% of its capacity across the entire Pacific - and that includes China. Only US which doesn't serve the Pacific has a smaller percentage of revenue from Japan.

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As expected now that multiple carriers have reported including most of AA's competition except for DL, the story is RASM, RASM, RASM.

AA UNDERPERFORMED on RASM for yet another quarter. Most other carriers recoreded RASM growth of 9-15%... which isn't hard to do considing how many fare increases were pushed through. AA's domestic yield increase was 40% of UA's and less than 1/4 of the yield increase UA got on international.
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The cruel reality is that AA has become the least capable airline in the US at increasing its revenues... it has been the lowest performing in RASM production for a number of quarters and this quarter's numbers only continue the trend. The only thing that could BAIL out AA is if DL completely blows its previously stated projections of around 10% RASM growth for the quarter - and that guidance was issued post-Japan earthquake/tsunami/nuclear disaster.
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What is most notable about AA's RASM performance is that the only region where AA has met industry RASM growth is in Latin America, the only region where AA remains the dominant carrier.
This further confirms the long-standing theory in the airline industry that size DOES translate into revenue premiums. AA's major domestic competitors, network and LFC all recorded nearly double the RASM growth that AA did. on the Atlantic and Pacific, AA was RASM growth negative while UA managed to be positive even recording double digit RASM growth. The Atlantic is clearly the weak spot and that is precisely where most other carriers plan to pull capacity - but AA hasn't committed to doing so.
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AA's business model is unsustainable... it is that simple. They continue to keep capacity in the system in order to keep their CASM from going up and putting an even larger difference between them and the rest of the industry, which only makes it easier for other carriers to raid AA markets.
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But AA's capacity is not delivering the RASM that other carriers are and the incursion of other carriers into AA's key markets is clearly hurting AA's revenue generating capabilities.
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Yet AA continues to borrow money to sustain industry leading losses emboldening AA's labor unions that AA isn't serious about cutting costs or allowing BK to be a viable threat - and they are right.
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There will be more and more analysts asking how AA can continue with its current business strategy that seems only to put off inevitably doing what must be done to turn the company around.
 
Yet AA continues to borrow money to sustain industry leading losses emboldening AA's labor unions that AA isn't serious about cutting costs or allowing BK to be a viable threat - and they are right.
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There will be more and more analysts asking how AA can continue with its current business strategy that seems only to put off inevitably doing what must be done to turn the company around.
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AA hasn't been serious about cost cutting since Bob Crandall left. The airline has an accountability problem, both labor and management. When the airline comes clean with labor, and the two can work together is when AA has a chance to start making money. With Crandall, every employee was held accountable for his/her actions, and this included his top henchmen. Crandall and his leaders were airline people and they knew the business. Once Don Carty became CEO the airline changed, accountability went away, and the operation suffered because he promoted the wrong people. These guys didn't have a clue about the operation. Maintenance was absolutely horrible. Remember the MD-80 wiring harness fiasco....everyone pointed fingers instead of fixing the problem. Again, no accountability! They also pissed off the FAA! That's why the FAA fined AA 24M.
The current business strategy doesn't work because the people in charge are not managers! Period! So, these people believe it's best to borrow money instead of fixing the real problem. AA has an image problem. The image problem stems from a horrible relationship with it's employees. Instead of fixing the problem and making the front line workers happy, the company continues to play hardball. Not good when angry workers interact with your customers.
 
Ok, fuel was only up 24% in 1Q. Reading the reports on a Blackberry is a bit difficult.

You were about right the first time. Fuel is up about 50%, depending on which day you look. The hedging gains, which were folded into fuel costs, made it look like fuel was up less. I.e. for strikeforce, what you see on the P&L is fuel cost after hedging is factored in and not fuel cost alone.

Jim
 
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