Amts who supports a AMFA are AMP drive

[conehead777]

Who supports a AMFA are AMP card drive

 

[1AA]

Not a good choice between the two. AMFA is a skilled class and craft union. AMP falls on the same catagory. We started an AMP drive about 10 years back. It was a good thing. A very democratic union. It mirrored the pilots union in many ways. Some were reluctant to sign a card and get onboard with the idea of a newly formed union. That's how the pilots and flight attendemts started their respective unions. They took a gamble and won. We always say look at what the pilots have, look at what the flight attendant's have. We need to decide as a group what we want. Not just what title 1 wants, what overhaul wants, what the line wants and now what the IAM guys want. We all need to get involved. Not just sign a card and go back to our laptops.
These drives take months and money. It takes coordinated effort on the part of every station and every title group affected. Do we continue to sit back and let status quo continue after two years of negotiations or decide enough is enough?
I don't know if a card drive will transpire anytime soon but we have to keep the idea fresh because negotiations are going no where and guys keep complaining to deaf ears.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

1AA you are right on point. Tulsa TWU was able to convince people that both AMP and AMFA were going to cater to the line mechanics and sell overhaul jobs for raises. Also the welders and machinists were told their jobs would be sold out too since they are not licensed AMTs. We would have to figure out how to make sure everyone felt included and nobody was going to be disenfranchised. That means no more outsourcing of overhaul and GEO pay for line stations in high costs areas as well as many other things, A hard thing to do. Also we would have to expect a full court press from the TWU and IAM to misinform and to squash any kind of drive. Of course the company would help since they basically own both unions.

 

[dfw gen]

well after today when isom talked in lga about 40% more mechanics then delta and united. and the mechanics in lga had nothing to say about it. how disappointing.we deserve everything we dont get.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

well after today when isom talked in lga about 40% more mechanics then delta and united. and the mechanics in lga had nothing to say about it. how disappointing.we deserve everything we dont get.

Same old stuff. They only know how to outsource and they'll try to justify it any way they can. Someone needs to bring up the top heavy management and compare how many VPs we have compared to Delta.

 

[Topcat187]

Call it what you want, but its not the name that gets you the contract. Its the membership that gives the union power to get you the contract you want.

 

[AA89]

Call it what you want, but its not the name that gets you the contract. Its the membership that gives the union power to get you the contract you want.

True but wouldn't it be nice to have some transparency and influence on the top leadership? For instance Isom throws a numder of mechanics vs Delta/United out and we don't even know if it's true or not. We know the company wants to screw us on Scope. What are our outsourcing numbers now? Who knows?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Call it what you want, but its not the name that gets you the contract. Its the membership that gives the union power to get you the contract you want.

With that statement it sounds like you are blaming the members for the failures of the TWU (and Association), and you know what, you are 100% right.

The members of the UNION have communicated to the international and the company that they will tolerate their games.

The members should have sent the TWU packing long ago.

The day the TWU started pushing concessions for jobs is the day they should have been shown the door.

 

[bigjets]

Call it what you want, but its not the name that gets you the contract. Its the membership that gives the union power to get you the contract you want.

True, but AMTs lost a lot of power when the TWU closed our locals, and divided us even further when they combined two unions, all without the consent of the membership. How many FSCs are representing mechs in negotiations?

The only good thing is, that the majority of mechs work in high cost areas now.

 

[swamt]

I think if you guys sat down and listed all the good and bad that have come out of the TWU since 1983 you would be shocked to see the list again. Anything prior to the 1983 date is beyond me knowing. What ever you guys decide to do, IF you guys decide to try AMFA again I would support any vote to help you guys out again. The new regime at AMFA is a much more friendlier one for organizing.

 

[Birdman]

they combined two unions

There's the problem, they weren't combined just because they call themselves an ASSociation. Each group has and International and an obligation to its own members and it will ultimately be up to the majority to dissolve what should have never been allowed in the first place. Neither International would cede power so a unaffiliated third organization is the only logical choice.