Anti-vaccine idiocy

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It wears off under certain circumstances.

 

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Hello....

 

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I know some here cannot or will not accept statistics, but here you are anyway:

http://www.npr.org/2014/10/08/354639707/u-s-life-expectancy-continues-to-tick-upward

"SIEGEL: And for people who, say, are now 65 years of age, what on average would their expectancy be? How many more years should they count on on average?

ARIAS: On average, for 2012, that would be 19.3 years.

SIEGEL: Were you folks at the CDC generally cheered by these numbers? I mean, I assume if they'd gone in the other direction it would be a horrible report you put out.

ARIAS: Well, I'm always - and I know that my colleagues are always impressed by the fact that in just 112 years, we have seen an increase in life expectancy for females of 32.9 years and for males of 30.1 year. So in just 112 years, we've seen an astonishing increase in life expectancy in the United States.

SIEGEL: Elizabeth Arias is a statistician with the National Center for Health Statistics, and she was talking with us about the new government numbers which show a record increase in life expectancy. Thanks for talking with us."

I am quite sure that scientific advances in medicine are what has driven much of this rise. That would include vaccinations, medications, and knowledge.

 
We have to reverse that trend, its bankrupting our country.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

We have to reverse that trend, its bankrupting our country.

You wise Dude. Yoda got nothing on you.

Our social contract did not plan on the fast increase in life expectancy.

Maybe the death panels will have their place after all 😉

Or maybe we could implement some kind of vaccine lottery or even charge big money for them.

If corporations are people, then wtf.

 

[777 fixer]

 
 
CDC website:
 
Other safety information

• Chickenpox vaccines contain weakened live VZV, which may cause latent (dormant) infection. The vaccine-strain VZV can reactivate later in life and cause shingles. However, the risk of getting shingles from vaccine-strain VZV after chickenpox vaccination is much lower than getting shingles after natural infection with wild-type VZV. For more information about how natural infection with wild-type VZV causes shingles, see Shingles Overview. Lab testing is needed to determine if a person got shingles from vaccine-strain VZV or from wild-type VZV.

 

 
I wish they had a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid.  Would have saved me two weeks of misery in the third grade.

 

[777 fixer]

 
We have to reverse that trend, its bankrupting our country.

 
Time to turn you baby boomers into Soylent Green.  Nothing personnel.  😉

 

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I wish they had a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid.  Would have saved me two weeks of misery in the third grade.

 
I couldn't register a smallpox reaction. You had to have that to get into school then. A lot of memories of my parents running around in circles over that.  Finally after 3 or 4 trys, it took.

 

[SparrowHawk]

A friend of my dad has shingles. She said it is beyond painful. Would gladly take the vaccine had she know a out it. No idea why she did not know.

 
 
The issue IMO is a simple one
Government does not have the right to order you to take medicine/vaccines. Even armed with a mountain of scientific data supporting their usage except under very narrow circumstances.
 
In matters of Children and public health the Government DOES have the right to act "in Loco Parentis" in the case of Children. Witness the widespread use of the polio vaccine as an example. This has been clearly established through numerous court cases. The Government does have a vested interest in public health matters. However the interest is very narrow in scope. The "Sugary Drinks" law in NYC being struck down as an example.
 
The primary role of government is to preserve Liberty. Keeping people alive would seem to fall into that scope.

 

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It's wrap your head around the fact that parents will risk the health and even the lives of their children over a belief that is not true.  Growing up you couldn't step foot in a school unless you were vaccinated.  Now it would appear some parents are using religious exemptions to keep their kids from having to get their kids vaccinated for school.  Makes you wonder. 
 
http://online.wsj.com/articles/paul-a-offit-the-anti-vaccination-epidemic-1411598408

Religious exemptions? What about that idiot Jenny McCarthy that subscribes to the crap that her son's autism was from a measles vaccine? Oh but as long as religion comes to mind...

 

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A friend of my dad has shingles. She said it is beyond painful. Would gladly take the vaccine had she know a out it. No idea why she did not know.

People who had chicken pox as a child are susceptible to shingles. The vaccine is usually given to the 60+ crowd, but that is no guarantee it won't set in at a younger age.

 

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That's another thing.  You would never hear any of that anti-vaccine talk coming from our parents generation.  That's because they grew up in a time when things like measles and polio crippled and killed children.  Today's parents have no memory of that.

Hmmm. I must be too old, because I remember my parents taking me to get vaccinated for such things. I also remember being forced to be vaccinated when you travelled ANYWHERE outside the US and I believe the vaccination lasted 3 years. Maybe this should be required of ALL travelers.

 

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I wish they had a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid.  Would have saved me two weeks of misery in the third grade.

I must have been lucky because mine only lasted about 4-5 days.

I was in the second grade.

 

[Ms Tree]

 
 
The issue IMO is a simple one
Government does not have the right to order you to take medicine/vaccines. Even armed with a mountain of scientific data supporting their usage except under very narrow circumstances.
 
In matters of Children and public health the Government DOES have the right to act "in Loco Parentis" in the case of Children. Witness the widespread use of the polio vaccine as an example. This has been clearly established through numerous court cases. The Government does have a vested interest in public health matters. However the interest is very narrow in scope. The "Sugary Drinks" law in NYC being struck down as an example.
 
The primary role of government is to preserve Liberty. Keeping people alive would seem to fall into that scope.

 
Seems contradictory to me.  The reason the govt always gives when certain vacines for children is that is helps saves lives.  Never hear them argue that kids should have one for the heck of it.  I have never heard of any manditory vacinations except them it is to protect the masses.   What do you have that says other wise?

 

[Ms Tree]

 
I wish they had a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid.  Would have saved me two weeks of misery in the third grade.

Never had any of the childhood ailments.  Worst I had were bad colds.  Never had measles or pox.  Scares the crap out of me now as an adult.

 

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