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[nbmcg01]

Completely agree. Big disparity between what's good for the senior FA's and what is good for everyone. Problem is that most of our union people are senior and most are lifers who like union work and not being flight attendants.

It's hard to see the good in a union when they give all of our stuff away and squander our money saving the jobs of the most difficult people to work with.

It is easy to see why they decided to foist the RPA on us. They deal with all the bad, stupid, apples and probably just figure all of us are like that. How many people with no problems call their base chair or union reps? Not many. I can see how you might think you were smarter than the average bear if your daily experiences deal with martha who can't stop drinking minis and falling asleep on her jumpseat, becky who likes crack a little too much and can never make a pick up on her layover, and joann who tells all the passengers to stick it in their a** if they don't tell her quickly enough how they take their coffee.

My guess is the % of f/as falling into those categories is way less than 1 %. AA (even with its industry f/a nickname) would not be so successful if that were the "norm". More often the terminations are for "excessive" off duty. I personally love your two charges if you don't call the nurse line. Or a charge for a PO. Talk about ways to save money, get rid of the nurse line and 3/4th of medical! I agree that there should have NEVER been LOAs signed giving the Co staffing relief without (at the very least) major give backs, the first being extended recall. The faster the recalls, the faster the current junior have some relief from reserve, less extended trips, AND the Co would be a position to hire off the street. Although at the time, I would guess that the "cream" has already been hired by other carriers. Most well informed realize that this isn't the same job of 30, 20 or 10 years ago. I would love to be a recruiter again and see what the perception vs the reality looks like in 2007 (or 2008).

 

[Skymess]

My guess is the % of f/as falling into those categories is way less than 1 %. AA (even with its industry f/a nickname) would not be so successful if that were the "norm". More often the terminations are for "excessive" off duty. I personally love your two charges if you don't call the nurse line. Or a charge for a PO. Most well informed realize that this isn't the same job of 30, 20 or 10 years ago. I would love to be a recruiter again and see what the perception vs the reality looks like in 2007 (or 2008).

Sure. The drunks and trouble makers are completely not the norm for the line. I am referring to most of the people the union has to represent. If they take the percentage of the people they have to deal with it is definitely not a fair representation of the flight attendant work group. Some excessive absences are legitimate but AA's policy doesn't allow for extenuating circumstances.

APFA is finally fighting the company on the family leave issue and has a cap whiz going on now to send to our representatives for some legislation. Our sick policy is outside of ridiculous and needs a complete overhaul. I just don't understand how it is that sick rules can vary so drastically between work groups in the same company. Certain things should be standard company policy.

I would love to be a recruiter also just to see if the group showing up is really that bad or if the recruiters are really just that bad.

 

[L1011Ret]

I started this thread linking it to legal issues. Now there is another rumor APFA is suing AA for AA's interference in the RPA fiasco. I would have thought we would have heard about this before since it happened years ago and lawsuits have filing time limits.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Justa s a point of clarification.

Most of the Union reps time, at least at the base level, is NOT dealing with crack heads and drunks but worse. Flight Attendants who are to lazy to know their contract and work rules. Yea, we are all frustrated and hate what happened in 2003 but that wont absolve you from knowing your stuff. Most line flight attendants dont know 1/3 of what the Chair,Vice Chair, OCR. or local Scheduling Rep do re work rules, and they should.

80% of the questions asked can be answered in the "On Duty Scheduling Guide" yet f/as will call, and call their CH/VC or HDQ for answers..

 

[L1011Ret]

If you look at the Marcoux complaint it was not the members who did not know the contract and constitution, but the leadership of APFA who repeatedly violated those items.

 

[nbmcg01]

If you look at the Marcoux complaint it was not the members who did not know the contract and constitution, but the leadership of APFA who repeatedly violated those items.

Good one Bill, and very true!

 

[Skymess]

If you look at the Marcoux complaint it was not the members who did not know the contract and constitution, but the leadership of APFA who repeatedly violated those items.

Ding Ding Ding..........and we have a winner.

Justa s a point of clarification.

Most of the Union reps time, at least at the base level, is NOT dealing with crack heads and drunks but worse. Flight Attendants who are to lazy to know their contract and work rules. Yea, we are all frustrated and hate what happened in 2003 but that wont absolve you from knowing your stuff. Most line flight attendants dont know 1/3 of what the Chair,Vice Chair, OCR. or local Scheduling Rep do re work rules, and they should.

80% of the questions asked can be answered in the "On Duty Scheduling Guide" yet f/as will call, and call their CH/VC or HDQ for answers..

ok. pardon me. So the distinction is that sometimes, as a union rep, you deal with stupid people and other times you deal with sick-stupid people