Apfa "pity Party"

[buhbye]

Flight Attendants DESERVE the RPA.
The group that got the worst screw job in the concessions.
That Crandall even said was the worst!
A pack of llamas has more sense than this herd!
Too ignorant to take free advice from workers who have been there done that, because they are "deemed the bogey men of flight attendants!"
They are mad at every other work group, but dumb & apathetic enough to elect/ re-elect all the same people who reversed the standard of flight attendants through out the UNITED STATES with the RPA.
But, gee how about that seniority and experience!!
The apfa sure showed the company who's boss!!

And NOW.....................
The apfa is going to ask congress to reverse something the apfa union gave away.
How absurd, the union is going to spend more dues money to go to Washington.
Having already spent money on a "call to action" mail out.
On something they gave away.
The RLA is the oldest labor law in this country, dating back to 1920, and the government has taken a "hands off" posture since that time.
This is the reason flight attendants aren't included in other federal statutes like overtime pay, holiday pay, and a 40-hour workweek. The contract negotiated between employer and union has absolute precedence.

Also apfa is trying to get more members to donate P. A. C money!
To send congressmen some 'chump change' to reverse what the apfa union gave away in the first place.
Just more money down the drain.
Always the victim.
Never a party in facilitating real change.

Is anything making sense?

Gosh Forrest Gump was smarter than this whole group combined.
Stupid is as STUPID does.


:censored: :censored:

 

[LiveInAHotel]

Actually buhbye the APFA isn't the only f/a union going to congress. The AFA and PFAA (Northwest f/a union) are also fighting for the same thing!!

Please do your homework before you make such an arrogant post.

 

[buhbye]

You are missing the point.
There is nothing wrong trying to be proactive in facilitating change.
However in this case it was chosen and approved by the apfa union and implemented then by American Airlines.
The apfa union has dealt long enough with AA to know if given an inch they take and take.
Why shouldn't the company have the right to implement something that is profitable and signed off and agreed and supported by the apfa union?

The apfa did not have to be in this position. It was by choice.

1. They chose to ignore warnings about the financial distress AA was having.
2. They chose to ignore alternatives presented by more educated flight attendants.
3. They chose to listen to the pilots.
4. they chose to extend the voting even knowing about the SERP & Retention Plans, then playing like they had no knowledge of it , then later say they knew?

Maybe they did accept minimum crew rest so they could go to congress and be "the heroes" again?
It usually boils down to egos............
Save the flight attendants and be their heroes?
That is it!

We have figured out the motivation.........................................................

Gee what an expensive way to be the knights in shining armor!

 

[MiAAmi]

You are missing the point.
There is nothing wrong trying to be proactive in facilitating change.
However in this case it was chosen and approved by the apfa union and implemented then by American Airlines.
The apfa union has dealt long enough with AA to know if given an inch they take and take.
Why shouldn't the company have the right to implement something that is profitable and signed off and agreed and supported by the apfa union?

The apfa did not have to be in this position. It was by choice.

1. They chose to ignore warnings about the financial distress AA was having.
2. They chose to ignore alternatives presented by more educated flight attendants.
3. They chose to listen to the pilots.
4. they chose to extend the voting even knowing about the SERP & Retention Plans, then playing like they had no knowledge of it , then later say they knew?

Maybe they did accept minimum crew rest so they could go to congress and be "the heroes" again?
It usually boils down to egos............
Save the flight attendants and be their heroes?
That is it!

We have figured out the motivation.........................................................

Gee what an expensive way to be the knights in shining armor!

Who are you trying to convince? "APFA asking for pitty" maybe so. But if it changes things for the better then why not? If we can get 8hrs behind the door without giving up underfly then whats your beef?

 

[buhbye]

It is a Republican Congress, supported by business/corporate concerns.
Including American Airlines, which AMR was the second largest donor last elections to the Republicans.
Congress is not going to intervene with the Railway Labor Act, to the detriment of the airlines!
It doesn't matter how right or fatigued flight attendants are, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
People are trying to make the company at fault for something given freely by the apfa union.
Flight Attendants voted NO, but then the apfa union extended the vote in order to get a yes vote.
They got it now everyone is mad at AA for implementing it.................
Please, the only ones ANY flight attendant should be mad at is the apfa union & themselves of course!


As long as the apfa union is running the show
:down: "ain't nuthin'gonna happen, not nuthin' never!" :boring:

 

[MiAAmi]

It is a Republican Congress, supported by business/corporate concerns.
Including American Airlines, which AMR was the second largest donor last elections to the Republicans.
Congress is not going to intervene with the Railway Labor Act, to the detriment of the airlines!
It doesn't matter how right or fatigued flight attendants are, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
People are trying to make the company at fault for something given freely by the apfa union.
Flight Attendants voted NO, but then the apfa union extended the vote in order to get a yes vote.
They got it now everyone is mad at AA for implementing it.................
Please, the only ones ANY flight attendant should be mad at is the apfa union & themselves of course!


As long as the apfa union is running the show
:down: "ain't nuthin'gonna happen, not nuthin' never!" :boring:

You should recheck your facts. We voted for trading 8hrs behind the door vrs underfly that the company wanted implement. That was after the concessions. And this has nothing to do with the Railway Labor Act.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

I am sorry...but the APFA went to minimum layovers with the Union thinking they would be behind the door. NOT!! MiAAmi get your facts straight.

Thank God JW is NOT in control anymore. His chumps are gone and now maybe we can see a REAL UNION.

 

[MiAAmi]

I am sorry...but the APFA went to minimum layovers with the Union thinking they would be behind the door. NOT!! MiAAmi get your facts straight.

Thank God JW is NOT in control anymore. His chumps are gone and now maybe we can see a REAL UNION.

I'm sorry I meant to say that we voted for the 8hrs ( not behind the door as I miss-wrote earlier) vrs underfly. My question is why not try to get the rigs changed so that we are protected by FAA rules instead of contract rules? Whats it going to hurt to improve conditions for everyone not just AA? If we get FAA rules changed then its a win win. We get our 8hrs behind the door without giving up underfly.

 

[buhbye]

Ward gave away "behind the door" language in the initial concessionary package.

If you wanted to keep the "underfly" you had to agree to further concessions, and THAT was the subject of a vote.

Period.

Ward is still President and still has enough power. :eye: :wacko:

 

[TWAnr]

Ward is still President and still has enough power. :eye: :wacko:

John Ward does not have the authority to publish a Skyword article without the signatures of two other national officers.


John Ward cannot publish the APFA hotline without the signatures of two other national officers.

John Ward is unable to sign an APFA check for any amount without another national officer's signature.

Shall we go on?

 

[L1011Ret]

Now your have to rightly wonder why the BOD hamstrung JW with additional restrictions. Could it be that he got out of line here and there....Naw, couldn't possibly be so...

 

[Hunter]

Actually buhbye the APFA isn't the only f/a union going to congress. The AFA and PFAA (Northwest f/a union) are also fighting for the same thing!!

Please do your homework before you make such an arrogant post.

Give me a break. These independent "associations" are so out of their league when it comes to Washington lobbying that it is laughable. apfa has alienated itself from the rest of organized (union) labor through their self-serving, self-preserving staple of the former TWA flight attendants. You can be assured there have been and will continue to be consequences to their actions.

What was apfa-PAC's contribution to the political process last year? $10,000? $20,000? Yeah, that's going to have the desired impact in light of the fact that AFL-CIO unions are contributing ten's of millions of dollars to influence the outcome of certain labor legislation.

Besides, apfa cannot afford additional lobbying in the first place. Wasn't it just a few months ago that Ward and Company announced that "SkyLiar" had to be cut to a quarterly publication schedule in the interest of saving money? If an "association" has to cut the communications budget, what about the costs associated with seniority litigation? The internal charges related to the RPA vote extension? The potential investigation by the DOL concerning voting irregularities in the officer elections? The list goes on and on.

 

[buhbye]

Well, John Ward can still "fire" people at his will. As he did when an office worker ask for a UAW card.

John Ward is stilll reported M.I.A at the "office."
Johnson & Lanning are reported to have filed their own election contesting charges.

Yes, the apfa has no credibility.
They only donate "chump change" which is all it is.

Except they did seem to donate more to those representing Missouri when the TWA purchase ensued.
But, it was still nothing compared to the AFL-CIO UNIONS.


The apfa has also NOT budgeted for all the law suits.................
So, I guess it will be interesting to see which hat they pull that out of!

They were investigated once by the D.O.L and nothing happened.
So it would seem they get away with whatever it is they choose.

There You have it......................
Corruption, Contempt and legal problems run amuck!
Stay tuned.............................................More at 10!
:jerry: :jerry: :jerry:

 

[buhbye]

I am guessing after the trip to D.C the company will halt dues check off?

 

[pooksmom]

Smart as a bag of rocks, that APFA !! :blink: