April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

Just so you girls can party with the west tonight, we are all in this together after all!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0fmAzAOFE8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Phoenix]

Aw geez-,what happened to Greeter? And where the hell is SCOTTSdale Phoenix???

Tough day I guess... Lol

You ae sill playing the fool for attention. What really worries me is that Chip hasn't said its ripe!

 

[prechilill]

You ae sill playing the fool for attention. What really worries me is that Chip hasn't said its ripe!

You've got a lot of worries tonight SCOTT

 

[Res Judicata]

Hey Chuckles,

Ever read this?


XII.

Effective Date, Modification, Status
of Letter of Agreement, and Duration
This Letter of Agreement:

A.

Will take effect on the date of execution set forth below;
B.

May be modified by written agreement of
the Association and the Airline Parties
collectively;

You're going to love the 190. I hear they are headed your way.

You're joking right? What do you suspect the odds are the company will, by written agreement, collude with USCABA now after all these years? They conveniently forget to mention that the other half of the hobsons choice is standing on their chests. There is 0% chance you're going to change the TA at this point. Are you high?

 

[end_of_alpa]

I saw the jumping for joy by prechill and various other posters over the company's lasting filing. I took a look at it tonight and tried to read it with as open mind as possible.

It's clear that the company, AA and it's creditors want this thing to be ripe and settled. I'll be honest, I want it to be too. But, it seems that for many ripe=Nic cemented. Maybe, but did anything else in the company's filing stand out to west guys? Here are a few that did to me, admittedly biased against the Nic.

“In any event, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating
for the use of the Nicolau Award or any other seniority list
in the US Airways/American seniority-integration process.
The MOU expressly provides that “US Airways . . .shall remain
Neutral regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list.””

“Accordingly, enjoining USAirways “from integrating
pilot seniority without using the Nicolau Award list to
define the relative seniority of US Airways pilots” would be an idle gesture
and an unwarranted use of this Court’s equity power.”

“Plaintiffs may be right or they may be wrong”

Did any west pilot notice that "ripeness" was a small part of USAPA's filing?

Briar patch

You might as well forget trying to even parry with them. They're just "f--king" with us. For some peculiar reason facts elude them. First, it was "final & binding" and now it's "ripe, Ripe, RIPE"! That's funny, I was just saying that when I got out of the head this morning!

 

[prechilill]

You're joking right? What do you suspect the odds are the company will, by written agreement, collude with USCABA now after all these years? They conveniently forget to mention that the other half of the hobsons choice is standing on their chests. There is 0% chance you're going to change the TA at this point. Are you high?

PIB is out of ammo- what he posted was almost as relevant as USAPA's C&BL
The east is fumbling for answers and can't find a meaningful justification for the company's arguments in Doc 49.
You are correct too, the company is now down to one half of a Hobson's choice now that Usapa is basically irrelevant since we have a contract.
Kind of hard to strike with a contract in place! Lol

 

[Claxon]

You're joking right? What do you suspect the odds are the company will, by written agreement, collude with USCABA now after all these years? They conveniently forget to mention that the other half of the hobsons choice is standing on their chests. There is 0% chance you're going to change the TA at this point. Are you high?

You lost.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Yep, you got it buddy! You were sold down the river! LOL
I'm going to peruse your postings from around February 8th and see how your opinions about ripeness matches the company's opinion... Wonder what we'll find... LOL

Sucker

Once you get past that menopause hot flash, maybe pay attention. I understand your bloating, its normal.

My opinion on ripeness has not changed since 2008. Lee Seham taught me well. We have already been to SCOTUS on this, and even again in Judge Silver's court. She may indeed choose to go the Judge Wake route (and I doubt it) and hold a circ de la Silver, but she knows full well nothing has changed since her last ruling. And nothing changes until after the POR and a JCBA.

Again, no NIC even if ripeness is declared, and still nothing for years if it is, because we will be right back to the Ninth.

US Airways, AMR, and the UCC are in a panic right now. Marty lied to them about interfering.

They want this entire affair ended, ripeness included if that is what takes care of business.

But ripeness actually does NOT take care of their concerns. A dismissal of the case is what actually moves the merger forward. My money is on not ripe and already decided. I have only been right, what, about always? And I was on the other side of Marty at UAL, as one of the 570. Ask him how that worked out..at SCOTUS by the way. You see, lengthy litigation is not what all the parties want, and big money rules. A dismissal solves all the problems, a ruling of ripe only starts a new clock.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

PIB is out of ammo- what he posted was almost as relevant as USAPA's C&BL
The east is fumbling for answers and can't find a meaningful justification for the company's arguments in Doc 49.
You are correct too, the company is now down to one half of a Hobson's choice now that Usapa is basically irrelevant since we have a contract.
Kind of hard to strike with a contract in place! Lol

You lost. Even if you won the company knows better than to let your two groups fly together. Enjoy you regional PHX base, stagnant with separate ops, for at least four years.

 

[prechilill]

Once you get past that menopause hot flash, maybe pay attention. I understand your bloating, its normal.

My opinion on ripeness has not changed since 2008. Lee Seham taught me well. We have already been to SCOTUS on this, and even again in Judge Silver's court. She may indeed choose to go the Judge Wake route (and I doubt it) and hold a circ de la Silver, but she knows full well nothing has changed since her last ruling. And nothing changes until after the POR and a JCBA.

Again, no NIC even if ripeness is declared, and still nothing for years if it is, because we will be right back to the Ninth.

US Airways, AMR, and the UCC are in a panic right now. Marty lied to them about interfering.

They want this entire affair ended, ripeness included if that is what takes care of business.

But ripeness actually does NOT take care of their concerns. A dismissal of the case is what actually moves the merger forward. My money is on not ripe and already decided. I have only been right, what, about always? And I was on the other side of Marty at UAL, as one of the 570. Ask him how that worked out..at SCOTUS by the way. You see, lengthy litigation is not what all the parties want, and big money rules. A dismissal solves all the problems, a ruling of ripe only starts a new clock.

Greeter

Holy Jesus, talk about bad career choices! You walked away from UAL in 1985??? Dude, you could have been a 747 captain but instead you're a junior 320 captain mixed in with '98 hires at America West. You can't rationalize that stupidity with anything!!!
Now, you can believe whatever you wish. You and about five other people actually think the case isn't ripe and you can discount the company, the UCC, AMR, AOL and the APA. Your choice buddy! Judging from your career choice, though, you seem to make the wrong move.

 

[Claxon]

The meet and greet should be your opportunity to ask some serious questions regarding your future contributions to the army of lyingitas.

US Airways legal team recent brief;

"CONCLUSION
For all the foregoing reasons, US Airways respectfully requests that the Court deny
plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction to the extent it seeks to enjoin US Airways, and that, in ruling on plaintiffs’ (america west pilots) motion vis-à-vis USAPA, the Court take no action that
could delay the McCaskill-Bond seniority-integration process as prescribed in the MOU."

http://leonidas.cact...p_PI_Motion.pdf

 

[Walmartgreeter]

You and about five other people actually think the case isn't ripe and you can discount the company, the UCC, AMR, AOL and the APA.

Me, Two from the NInth, and Silver. Four actually agree not ripe. Good enough? (and I am not including the Nine from SCOTUS, who refused to hear the case.)

But you win by one of your chin hairs.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

A form of child abuse, anger, no excuses on your part. Also, you need to apologize to peeper and the rest of the new hires for leading them on thinking they can save another airline and gain 17 years seniority from the precarious seat in initial class of america west.

Your blame game, will turn against you, accept some responsibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827&index=11

 

[prechilill]

Me, Two from the NInth, and Silver. Four actually agree not ripe. Good enough? (and I am not including the Nine from SCOTUS, who refused to hear the case.)

But you win by one of your chin hairs.

Greeter

Your statement above is about as real as the Easter bunny.

 

[Claxon]

Your statement above is about as real as the Easter bunny.

You lost. Do you think anger should have involved his daughter in this matter? Gutless move. The proper response from a young lady when asked where does your dad work should be, I do not know.