April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

The meet and greet should be your opportunity to ask some serious questions regarding your future contributions to the army of lyingitas.

US Airways legal team recent brief;

"CONCLUSION
For all the foregoing reasons, US Airways respectfully requests that the Court deny
plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction to the extent it seeks to enjoin US Airways, and that, in ruling on plaintiffs’ (america west pilots) motion vis-à-vis USAPA, the Court take no action that
could delay the McCaskill-Bond seniority-integration process as prescribed in the MOU."

http://leonidas.cact...p_PI_Motion.pdf

The fat lady is singing from the above US Airways legal brief.

 

[Claxon]

It is unfortunate that but for the West's all or nothing approach fueled by Nico's lottery abomination, all pilots could have been benefitting from many improvements for years, and especially also from the perm bids.



Just picture all the "Black Top Pest" singers being captains, and it is immediately apparent that Nic was just the first one to F.. up.

 

[traderjake]

Even if you won the company knows better than to let your two groups fly together.

"your"

Claxon doesn't even work here but finds it necessary to post an average of 3 times a day under this user name.

You really should try to get out of the basement more.

 

[Claxon]

"your"

Claxon doesn't even work here but finds it necessary to post an average of 3 times a day under this user name.

You really should try to get out of the basement more.

Boeingboy and 767jetz frequented this forum, "your" thoughts please sir.

 

[im back..!!]

So, I have been questioned bya young aviator. What is there best option for a career choice. they have been offered employment with Virgin America, yet also a Major. ( Im not sure which one) Should they take the Major and end up thousands of numbers junior to themselves, should Virgin be merged in with a Major ( a likely assumption) or go to Virgin and get the windfall of slotting and become a widebody pilot overnite?

 

[Claxon]

PIB is out of ammo- what he posted was almost as relevant as USAPA's C&BL
The east is fumbling for answers and can't find a meaningful justification for the company's arguments in Doc 49.
You are correct too, the company is now down to one half of a Hobson's choice now that Usapa is basically irrelevant since we have a contract.
Kind of hard to strike with a contract in place! Lol

You lost what you thought you had, but never did, get over it.

 

[traderjake]

Boeingboy and 767jetz frequented this forum, "your" thoughts please sir.

I'm happy you're interested in this company and pilot group but 3 times a day and your obsession with that mustache pilot video are a little disturbing.

 

[Claxon]

Boeingboy and 767jetz frequented this forum, "your" thoughts please sir.

Answer please, daddy's boy.

 

[Claxon]

I'm happy you're interested in this company and pilot group but 3 times a day and your obsession with that mustache pilot video are a little disturbing.

Let me try to explain this to you.

Remember when you had to worry about how you were going to find your next meal, er

Remember when you worried about how you where going to work your way through college, er

Remember how you worried about about how you were going to afford flying lessons,
er

Remember how you were worried about getting a job in aviatio........, er

Never mind I can not find an analogy of life due to your upbringing.

 

[traderjake]

Boeingboy worked here for 30 plus years, 767jetz didn't post here an average of three times a day.

I work here and love to fight with the USAPA boys but still I average less than one post a day.

Get some help, you need it.

 

[Claxon]

Boeingboy worked here for 30 plus years and 767jetz didn't post here an average of three times a day.

I work here and love to fight with the USAPA boys but still I average less than one post a day.

Get some help, you need it.

Maybe I can ask your dad. He paid for all your education and insured your job with US Airways. You are a pampered loser. I have no respect for you. You never had to fight for what you have today.

Your dad failed in his responsibility with you to teach you to be a man. It might be difficult for someone to teach this, if they had no experience in being one to begin with.

 

[Res Judicata]

Maybe I can ask your dad. He paid for all your education and insured your job with US Airways. You are a pampered loser. I have no respect for you. You never had to fight for what you have today.

Your dad failed in his responsibility with you to teach you to be a man. It might be difficult for someone to teach this, if they had no experience in being one to begin with.

For a former NWA pilot, you sure seem to harbor some especially specific vitriol for especially specific persons at especially DIFFERENT airlines. Either that, or you're just another lying POS scab. I'm betting the latter.

 

[prechilill]

Maybe I can ask your dad. He paid for all your education and insured your job with US Airways. You are a pampered loser. I have no respect for you. You never had to fight for what you have today.

Your dad failed in his responsibility with you to teach you to be a man. It might be difficult for someone to teach this, if they had no experience in being one to begin with.

PIB is a pampered loser??? The child prodigy of the east managed webboard just got baked on by Claxon?? Did I read this correctly?

 

[Claxon]

For a former NWA pilot, you sure seem to harbor some especially specific vitriol for especially specific persons at especially DIFFERENT airlines. Either that, or you're just another lying POS scab. I'm betting the latter.

Perhaps you should be subjected to a couple more polygraphs. By the way, the majority on the discussion of your situation conclude there is something fishy.. .
Are you also a background singer in Black Top Pest? Did Cap'n Aux recruit you in another discriminatory film? My bet is you are the idiot white boy rapping about watching your back and getting a knife in the back. Nice. No wonder you were trapped at AWA. Nobody else would hire you after those Minnesota Personality assessments at the other interviews.
By the way, not one scab at DAL or former NWA. Can you say the same?

 

[prechilill]

Sometimes I have dreams, mostly all are good ones. To stay happy I keep a little pad of paper and a pencil next to my bed to write them down when I wake. Here was one I had last night. Please remember, this is all made up, so there is no meaning to any of it. In fact, it might just be some substitution for other problems I have in my life. But since we are friends here, I will share it:

Judge: I see you are back in Arizona again with a DFR against USAPA. Why are you here? I note the Ninth has already defined ripeness for you, and Judge Silver has defined the boundaries under which USAPA will negotiate. What has changed?

Harper: A lot. It is our contention we now have a joint contract with the East and West pilots of US Airways. The requirements for ripeness have been met. We now come to you with a DFR case against USAPA.

Judge: So you have a ratified contract. I actually see two contracts in your submissions, one for the West pilots and one for the East pilots. Do you have a new contract for me to see? Am I missing something?

Harper: Well it's complicated…

Judge: Humor me, that is why we are here, to get to the bottom of this. Go ahead..

Harper: What we have is an MOU, an agreement that says if the merger occurs with AMR we will be bound into a process that leads us to a joint contract. In fact our working conditions and compensation have been altered by this agreement, thus we now have ripeness.

Judge: What benefits are you actually getting now, today? More pay? Fewer days to work?

Harper: All US Airways pilots are accruing back pay to be paid on the POR, when the merger actually happens. They will also get an increased retirement contribution and some better work rules at that point.

Judge: What if the merger does not occur? Do you get that pay, those benefits?

Harper: Then nothing has changed..No..Strike that. I mean we would still be working under our separate agreements. Wait; let me refer to my notes……

Judge: First, relax. I simply wanted to know what happens if the merger does NOT occur. But go ahead, I am interrupting you…

Harper: It is our contention that the very ratification of the MOU moved the East and West pilots into a joint contract, under the current transition agreement, from 2005, it is our contention under ALPA merger policy they must now implement the so called Nic award. The fact that that has not happened is the reason for our DFR before you.

Judge: I thought Judge Silver already told the parties USAPA was not obligated to use that award? But let's proceed with your logic. Let's air this out. You are saying both pilot groups now share a single working agreement? You can all fly all the aircraft and bid into all the crew bases?

Harper: Actually no. But it is US Airways that has refused to complete the process.

Judge: So with that logic, this is not a DFR, this is a dispute with the Union and the Company, correct?

Harper: USAPA has not engaged the Company on this issue. They fear the implementation of the award. Even more DFR fodder in my opinion.

Judge: But under the RLA any pilot can file a personal complaint…I mean grievance..Sorry, I don't do a lot of RLA cases. Is that correct? Have you filed a complaint? This appears to be a dispute with your company, not a DFR? What is it?

Harper: Again, it's complicated. USAPA has dragged its feet for years in not getting a joint contract to keep the Nic from being implemented. This has cost the West pilots millions in compensation and benefits…

Judge: I thought the West Class, or was it Addington agreed with Judge Wake that that was not the case, no delay on the part of the union in negotiations?

Harper: I am sorry; I thought we could no longer reference that case..

Judge: My bad. After that…. you are saying the union has been dragging its feet?

Harper: Yes

Judge: I don't agree with illegal work actions, but are not the East pilots under an injunction for trying to force a contract? And since 2005, who is the more highly compensated group under their current agreements..The East pilots or the West pilots? I already know the answer, but go ahead…

Harper: Well, we have seen half our crew bases closed since 2005.

Judge: Did not US Airways close Pittsburgh, Boston, and New York since the merger?

Harper: Yes…but

Judge: Let's cut to the chase here.., you don't have an actual joint contract for me to view, and you want to take a DFR to a jury trial on the premise there MIGHT be a merger, and you MIGHT be harmed in a seniority integration going forward?

Harper: We feel the harm is already done, USAPA has said in public they will NOT use the NIC award. That's the harm.

Judge: Well, I have to say…it is clear to me that in the dicta of the Ninth, and from my colleague Judge Silver that indeed they are under no obligation to use that award. In fact, the Ninth said it might be possible that NO contract was ever ratifiable with that award, something to that effect. Of course I agree they probably won't use it going forward, if the merger happens. But what do you want me to do? Start a trial based on a merger that has not happened yet, and a merger process (agreed to by almost all your party) that has not reached completion?

I will allow both parties to submit final briefs, but unless you can show me an actual ratified contract between East and West, and then resolve your issues with your own Company within the RLA, I see no way I can move this forward.

End.

Greeter

HA HA HA HA!!! I think somebody is having the last laugh and it sure isn't you JOE!!!

Document 49 JOE:

The fact that the MOU does not contain a finalized integrated seniority list also​

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. 13 does not raise the same ripeness concerns as in Addington I. The Ninth Circuit’s decision​

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. 14 was premised on the assumptions that the final integrated seniority list would be the​

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. 15 product of back-and-forth negotiations between US Airways and USAPA (and ultimately​

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. 16 subject to ratification by USAPA’s membership), and that a ratified non-Nicolau seniority​

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. 17 list in conjunction with the improved terms and conditions of employment that might be​

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. 18 contained in a single collective bargaining agreement – both of which were contingent​

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. 19 future events at the time of the Addington I litigation – might be satisfactory to the West​

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. 20 Pilots. Addington, 606 F.3d at 1180-1181. However, the factual and legal landscape of​

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. 21 the US Airways/American seniority integration is totally different.​

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. 22 There will not be any negotiations between USAPA and US Airways regarding the ​

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. 23 relative placement of East and West pilots on the integrated seniority list. ​

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