Ata Contract Update

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ATA, mechanics talks deteriorate
But flight attendants hint at progress as stock spirals toward $2


By Bill Theobald
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August 28, 2004


Contract talks between ATA Airlines and its mechanics were cut short this week as union leaders charged the company with not negotiating seriously and raised the prospect of a strike.

At the same time, the leader of the union representing the struggling Indianapolis-based airline's flight attendants said that group is making progress toward a concessions agreement.
The mix of bad and good labor news came on a day ATA's stock reached a record low. Shares closed at $2.14, after dipping as low as $2.08. They had traded above $10 in February.

Terry Harvey, assistant national director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, said the National Mediation Board on Wednesday adjourned what were scheduled to be week-long talks with the company.

"They're not doing anything, not moving, not negotiating," Harvey said Friday as he left Indianapolis. The union, representing about 600 mechanics at the financially troubled airline, has been negotiating with ATA since October 2002 on its first-ever contract.

"This is a complete misrepresentation of the facts," Richard Meyer, ATA's vice president of labor relations, said. "It is nothing more than a bargaining tactic that we find reprehensible."

Harvey said the union's main complaint was that the company had reneged on an agreement that would have prevented outsourcing of mechanical work. "They said they needed flexibility," Harvey said. "Our interpretation is they want to go shopping for cheaper labor."

But Meyer said no such promise was ever made. "At no time was there ever an agreement, even tentative, by the company to limit the proportion of maintenance work that can be outsourced."

Meyer said the union is seeking pay increases that would cost ATA $18 million over two years during a time of financial difficulty for the airline.

Harvey said the union is flexible in its wage demands, but said ATA mechanics make "quite a bit below average" pay for their profession. An ATA mechanic of five years would make $25 per hour, he said, compared to well above $30 per hour at other airlines.

Harvey said union officials would now conduct a series of meetings with members to determine whether to ask the federal board to release the union from mediation. The first of those occurred Thursday with the more than 300 mechanics based in Indianapolis. "Overwhelmingly, the people in attendance said they would not accept an agreement without labor protection," Harvey said.

Once a release is granted, a 30-day countdown to a strike would begin, he said.

Company and union officials will next meet with the federal mediator Sept. 28. "ATA looks forward to continuing its efforts to work with (the union) at that time," Meyer stated.

ATA is seeking concessions from its unionized pilots and flight attendants, pursuing other cost-cutting moves and looking to raise revenue by adding business-class seats and possibly launching service to Europe next year. Earlier this month, ATA reported a $26 million second-quarter loss and said it could run out of cash early next year.

Flight attendants rejected $8.9 million in concessions earlier this summer in a close vote. Jacki Pritchett, head of the unit representing ATA's 1,900 flight attendants, said Friday that talks had resumed. "I think we've gotten over some of the bumps," Pritchett said.

The company, she said, had not calculated the savings from the proposed cuts, but she thinks it will be more than what was previously voted down.

She said more discussions would take place next week and said the company's flight attendants "have a lot of confidence in this company."
 
Harvey said the union's main complaint was that the company had reneged on an agreement that would have prevented outsourcing of mechanical work. "They said they needed flexibility," Harvey said. "Our interpretation is they want to go shopping for cheaper labor."


So in other words AMFA is willing to fight to keep work in house.

The TWU on the other hand would have said "Lets cut everyones pay and create a new sublclass of lower paid workers so you can do it cheaper in house, this way you get the benifits of quality and cost control at lower costs than outsourcing and we get the dues without a harsh word between us. In fact maybe we will give you a 15 year concessionary contract like we did over at American Eagle. Dont worry about selling it to the members we will just wage a fear campain and rig the election with sequential pin numbers like we did at AA".
 
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I think you'll see there was not an agreement. When does the fight start Bob?
 
Nightwatch said:
I think you'll see there was not an agreement. When does the fight start Bob?
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Well it figures that a company union man like yourself would believe the company instead of the union.

As you can see the fighting has already started. Look at what the company has done to us yet no harsh words have even been exchanged between the TWU or the company, certianly nothing like the word "S-T-R-I-K-E". The TWU has not directed that word at the company since 1969 despite an over 40% loss in real compensation.
 
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Actually Bob I think chicken little gave the company a deadline of July 29th. OR ELSE :shock:
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Yea he probably filed that right next to the Force Majeure Grievance.

I knew he had no intention of pursuing that when at the 2001 Convention he said "Sure we will win it but we will bankrupt the company".
 
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According to your , and Stewart's, fuzzy math, the majority of the members here are pro AMFA..correct? Well then, Mr. leader of leaders, when does the fight begin? Thought you stated AMFA was pro fight...easy to speculate isn't it? The Fighting AMFA Brotherhood....HAHAHA...tell me Owens, how many NWA have returned due to FM2 to date?...Is it even close to the 150 promised? Fighters...HAHAHA!
 
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According to your , and Stewart's, fuzzy math, the majority of the members here are pro AMFA..correct?

The majority of mechanics are.

Well then, Mr. leader of leaders, when does the fight begin? Thought you stated AMFA was pro fight...easy to speculate isn't it? The Fighting AMFA Brotherhood....HAHAHA...tell me Owens, how many NWA have returned due to FM2 to date?...Is it even close to the 150 promised? Fighters...HAHAHA!


What happened to our force majeure case? Did the TWU secretly agree to drop it last year? You guys keep going on about what happens at NWA but why is that? NWA has a different contract than SWA or Alaska. At this time each contract is different, I notice that you guys never bring up SWA. One thing that they all have in common is that none of them have taken a 25% cut in compensation where we one the other hand have all taken such a cut even the older guys who went through the layoffs and bad times in the past. SWA and NWA make over $6/hr more than us, closer to $10 when you figure in benifits, holidays, vacations etc. So with the TWU seniority means nothing, when times go bad, you will get hit over and over again, unless you go into the International, then good times or bad you will still get your raises. Having the TWU is worse than not having a union at all.

Let me ask you something, when you were IAM did UAL or USAIR or NWA give the same concessions you fools willingly forked over? Why not, you were all IAM and if you took the cuts then they automatically would take the same cuts too right? Thats the twisted logic you are using with AMFA.

The fact is that headcount is ultimately determined by the company even when, as in our case, there is language on station staffing , because the TWU wont enforce it, just look at Charlotte.

You claim that you have been in this industry for many years, well then you must not have a good memory. We have gone through these cycles before. One year there are no jobs, the next they cant find enough mechanics, its a cyclical industry. The unions used to protect the long term interests of the workers by protecting the rates from being depressed during the down cycles, as workers got seniority they were spared from the hardships that each down cycle brought, they "paid their dues",even the junior workers who were taking the hits due to layoffs had a future to look forward to. Thanks to the TWU no one has a future in this industry. With each down cycle the TWU will agree to long term concessions that prevent us from ever recovering when things get better, so whether you have two years or twenty years as long as the TWU is around you will never have a future in this industry.
 

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