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No it is not a fraud. Some scientist misrepresented some of the data. The climate is changing. Man is part of the equation. How much a part is the question. What on earth does the economy have to do with religious dogma or scientific method?

Science touches every aspect your your life. We trust it virtually every day of our life. Science is involved in everything from the clothe you wear to the food you eat. The furniture you sit on, the PC you are typing on and the meds you take.


Who is we? The God that never fails? As to the fraud ask Mr I invented the Internet while on my carbon footprint private jet away from my 25,000 square foot home lecturing about science & Earth in the balance.

Like I said before, provide me with scientific evidence that God doesn't exist? You claim it, now prove it.
 
There is not scientific way to prove that an imaginary idea does not exist. Science deals with theory and method, not dogma.

Answer me this. Why do you believe in your god and not any of the other gods? When you can answer that you will know why I do not believe in yours. The only difference between you and I is that I believe in one less god than you do.
 
There is not scientific way to prove that an imaginary idea does not exist. Science deals with theory and method, not dogma.

Answer me this. Why do you believe in your god and not any of the other gods? When you can answer that you will know why I do not believe in yours. The only difference between you and I is that I believe in one less god than you do.

I believe that a God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent has the wisdom to speak to all of us. IMO there are many paths to God. Christianity is merely one of them.

Dogma? I don't think so. You can't prove scientifically that God doesn't exist, so dodge the issue, just like you do when it comes to the Empty Suits failure as a leader. We certainly have change with the Bond downgrade. Conspiracy for big business to get him out of office? Your political values are as bankrupt as your religious views AND now as a result the nation stand at the brink. HAPPY?
 
I believe that a God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent has the wisdom to speak to all of us. IMO there are many paths to God. Christianity is merely one of them.

Dogma? I don't think so. You can't prove scientifically that God doesn't exist,

How do you know there are not multiple gods like the Greeks or Egyptians believed in? How about the mother earth idea from the Natives? Wicca?. My original question to you still applies. I was also under the impression that Christianity was an absolute. You either believe in their version or you do not get the prize. Other religions typically are played the same way. Your answer strikes me as disingenuous and a cop out.

I have already admitted as much. Science cannot disprove that god exists anymore than it can disprove the idea of the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny. Science is based on method and theory, religion is based on faith. There is no common ground.

You believe god exists, you cannot prove it any more than anyone else can disprove the idea.. That is why it is called faith.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvLzz9EBkA&playnext=1&list=PL8273914DBA59331A

Nuff Said!
 
No it is not a fraud. Some scientist misrepresented some of the data. The climate is changing. Man is part of the equation. How much a part is the question. What on earth does the economy have to do with religious dogma or scientific method?

Science touches every aspect your your life. We trust it virtually every day of our life. Science is involved in everything from the clothe you wear to the food you eat. The furniture you sit on, the PC you are typing on and the meds you take.


More and more the evidence comes out many have altered data for an agenda.

The climate is changing, has been since the big bang if you follow evolution of the planet.

Yes man is part of the equation of change....so are bears and bugs.

Economy and religious dogma? Why do Catholics eat fish on Fridays?
 
More and more the evidence comes out many have altered data for an agenda.

The climate is changing, has been since the big bang if you follow evolution of the planet.

Yes man is part of the equation of change....so are bears and bugs.

Economy and religious dogma? Why do Catholics eat fish on Fridays?

 
Well can you prove that God DOESN'T Exist? When you can you may rag on me to your hearts content. In the mean time STFU!

I don't try to convert you do I? Leave me to cling to my guns and religion.

How should I put this... No atheist owes you any explanations. We're not the ones parading around fantasies about incestuous, fact averse, hateful monsters ruling the universe as incompetently as they can. We're not the ones trying to teach innocent children that magic fairy son-killing attention whores created the universe in spite of indisputable facts to the contrary.

What it boils down to is that religion (all religion) makes incredible fantastic and uneducated claims that cannot be supported or accepted as fact by intelligent beings. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on those making the claims, not the other way around. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Religion offers none whatsoever.


Thats not a misconception. Its true. Atheists and Nihilists are one of the same. They think they are smarter, therefore they must be smarter. They don't fool anyone and the main reason why they are considered kooks and crazies.


But believing in a god that's the creator of a universe six orders of magnitude larger than your Sun, manipulates particles at will anywhere in said universe, and has all of time planned out, and cares about You, personally, is somehow not crazy... We think we're smarter because we are.

So say you. Now PROVE it

Everything in universe you live in. Done.

But here... A really good example would be the internet you're using. A social and technological artifact (even here still in its infancy) capable of moving ideas, managing money, creating jobs and evolving society by way of breaking down massive cultural barriers with relative ease. If there were a god as you say, there is NO way it would have been able to sit idly by watching its slaves grow more enlightened and less enslaved to it by the hour. god didn't tolerate the worship of false idols 5,000 years ago, when the world population was less than Germany's today. Your god sent a flood to destroy a far less sinful and freethinking society when he was no longer appeased. But today, with no effort whatsoever, energy that was dedicated to worship can now more effectively used for entertainment, learning, pornography, whatever, with next to ZERO effort. And now that the world population is over 7 billion, when it's a few orders of magnitude more important to keep folks in line here, your god, your all powerful jealous god, is doing NOTHING about it.

Looks like god didn't count on that one, ooops.


Well Science told us that Global warming was fate acompli, NOW we find it was a fraud. So Science isn't the be all, end all either. How about a comment on the bond rating down grade brought on by the Progressive Libtards????? HMMMM Crickets on that one. Still waiting for scientific proof that God doesn't exist


Global Warming is very real and is currently effecting you profoundly.

Let me ask you something. Using your own ridiculous standard here, what are we to make of your god every time a priest (deleted) a ten year old boy? Think before you're answering, because there are only two possibilities. One, no god exists. Two, god exists, and fully sanctions these events. Either there's no god, or there is a god who is no friend of any human being, anywhere.

Just going by the people presenting his message. As you seem to be WRT global warming.



I believe that a God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent has the wisdom to speak to all of us. IMO there are many paths to God. Christianity is merely one of them.

Dogma? I don't think so. You can't prove scientifically that God doesn't exist, so dodge the issue, just like you do when it comes to the Empty Suits failure as a leader. We certainly have change with the Bond downgrade. Conspiracy for big business to get him out of office? Your political values are as bankrupt as your religious views AND now as a result the nation stand at the brink. HAPPY?

Why does your omnipotent god require your worship and money? Why does your omniscient god require you to confess your sins? Why does your ominpresent god not know about dinosaurs, the way to the promised land, or think the earth is balanced on the back of a giant tortoise?

There is only one path to god. The eventual evolution of a sentient race to a point where we would be indistinguishable from your god. Well, not indistinguishable technically. We likely wouldn't get to that point with the need to act like an insecure five year old and beg for money from our "lessers." But for now, no path, because there is no god, therefore you really can't have a path to it. Pretty simple really...
 
How do you know that there isn't a race of extra-terrestrials out there and this thing called Earth is some 8th Grade Science Project.
 
If you have one hour and five minutes to spare, I strongly suggest you watch this lecture and enlighten yourself on the wonders and creation of the universe. This is why I love science. We, as humans, who often think we know so little, in fact know quite an astounding amount of information about our existence. It staggers the mind. We don't know everything, but that is the beauty of science: we are constantly exploring and learning more all the time. These are scientific facts, and they are FAR MORE interesting, wonderful and logical than any made-up, stagnant stories invented and offered by religion. I'm disturbed by the willful ignorance and anti-intellectualism by members of religion. It's an insult to our intelligence and to our achieved advances as a human race. Modern science is roughly 400 years old, but here we are in the 21st Century, still struggling to overcome Bronze-age, superstitious beliefs. Faith, as far as religion is concerned, is not a virtue. It's the absence of logic and reason.


 
If you have one hour and five minutes to spare, I strongly suggest you watch this lecture and enlighten yourself on the wonders and creation of the universe. This is why I love science. We, as humans, who often think we know so little, in fact know quite an astounding amount of information about our existence. It staggers the mind. We don't know everything, but that is the beauty of science: we are constantly exploring and learning more all the time. These are scientific facts, and they are FAR MORE interesting, wonderful and logical than any made-up, stagnant stories invented and offered by religion. I'm disturbed by the willful ignorance and anti-intellectualism by members of religion. It's an insult to our intelligence and to our achieved advances as a human race. Modern science is roughly 400 years old, but here we are in the 21st Century, still struggling to overcome Bronze-age, superstitious beliefs. Faith, as far as religion is concerned, is not a virtue. It's the absence of logic and reason.

I think I understand your point but I think it would be more accurate to state that in comparison to what we know a massive amount more than we did one hundred, five hundred or one thousand years ago. But out of all the knowledge there is to learn, we probably only know an infinitesimal amount. Science acknowledges that. Science embraces our ignorance and endeavors to expand our knowledge. Religion claims to have the answers. Religion has no need for the James Webb telescope. They already know the origins of the universe. Had the church encouraged Galileo who knows what else might have been. Religion stifles science and advancement. They are busy claiming that dinosaurs walked with man and that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

When science did not know the answers, religion provided one. When the sun dissipated for a time, it was the angry gods who were at fault and we had to sacrifice a virgin. Of course it was never a conservative because we know they cannot keep it zipped. Never mind that the gods had nothing to do with it but it actually had to do with the rotation of the earth and moon around the sun. Heresy at the time but established fact now. I guess religion was wrong about that one huh?

Religion asks people to fight their instinctual urges and just not have sex. Never mind that it is hard wired into nearly every human being to reproduce. We have developed effective and safe contraceptives but to use them would be against some gods law. People want to have sex. It feels good, it satisfies primal urges but religion looks at it as function for reproduction only. Is it any wonder we have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the world.

If believing in a god(s) makes one more comfortable regarding what happens once you go toes up, go for it. What ever floats your boat. But we have to keep the fantasy out of the real world that we live in. They should not be allowed to influence science and technology. They have already screwed up enough as it is.
 
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No dont you feel silly?

You quoted an op-ed piece from a hugely biased and completely unscientific publication. Why would I feel silly?

I'm well aware of "climategate," as it were (good job not answering the question about what it does to god when its representatives commit far greater abuses by the way...) But the fact is, that was one study among several that all came to more or less the same conclusion. And none of you have brought any valid claim that counters the data being listed there. If you would, perhaps you can locate information that actually supports the claim that Global Warming somehow isn't happening. That would be a real argument, as opposed to the usual smoke & mirrors stuff we're seeing...


Smugness and arrogance doesn't make one smart. It makes them look...irrelevant.


Not believing in something that has no proof of existence does indeed make one smarter than one who does. It's a function of higher reasoning and evaluation. You may be uncomfortable with that indisputable reality, but that will not alter the situation. Sorry if your feelings are hurt, but you cannot develop proof of otherwise.
 
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