Atheism

[Ms Tree]

What about before the big bang? Ours is not the only galaxy and if the DNA discovery is correct, we are probably not the only life forms in the universe.

 

[SparrowHawk]

What about before the big bang? Ours is not the only galaxy and if the DNA discovery is correct, we are probably not the only life forms in the universe.

Ever consider that we are not alone in the Universe? Suppose the person that we here on Earth call God is really just some geeky kid from another race and we are his Senior Class project?

Could explain the big bang theory AND Armageddon, one being the beginning of the Class Project, the other being the end of the project and discarding it.

 

[Ms Tree]

What about before the big bang? Ours is not the only galaxy and if the DNA discovery is correct, we are probably not the only life forms in the universe.

Ever consider that we are not alone in the Universe? Suppose the person that we here on Earth call God is really just some geeky kid from another race and we are his Senior Class project?

Could explain the big bang theory AND Armageddon, one being the beginning of the Class Project, the other being the end of the project and discarding it.

Emphasis added so that you can answer your own question.

 

[delldude]

You and 7 Day can argue about it till your hearts content. Let me know when you decide what happened and how you want to interpret the findings.

Its all in that book that makes you melt when looking at it.

 

[Ms Tree]

You mean the one that has no supporting proof that any of it is true? How is that any different from any other fantasy novel? Personally I like the Greek gods. So if I have to pick, I'll go for them. I like the Native American idea of a mother earth as well. What makes them wrong and yours right?

 

[delldude]

You mean the one that has no supporting proof that any of it is true? How is that any different from any other fantasy novel? Personally I like the Greek gods. So if I have to pick, I'll go for them. I like the Native American idea of a mother earth as well. What makes them wrong and yours right?

You like Greek??
Never said any one was/is right.
Greek gods were aliens too.....
Native Americans believe in the Great Spirit aside from Mother Earth........Sky Woman.
Why did NA Indians have a word that described a bird that makes thunder in their vocabulary? Were there large farting birds then?
Its all intertwined Dude.
Most religious belief systems have very similar stories.....except Atheism.

 

[Ms Tree]

I am curious. Why is it that the christian right has no problem saying that government should be used to prohibit anything gay, abortion, stem cell research too name a few, but does not think the government should be used to help the poor? Doesn't the bible mention something about 'the least among us"?

 

[delldude]

I am curious. Why is it that the christian right has no problem saying that government should be used to prohibit anything gay, abortion, stem cell research too name a few, but does not think the government should be used to help the poor? Doesn't the bible mention something about 'the least among us"?

Used to be, before the progressive left did everything they could to eliminate God and the Church (except Islam) from everything and let the ' if it feels good it must be ok' crowd have their way, Churches and communities took care of those things together. Now its government.
Help the poor or provide a meal ticket for lazy people? I believe it is more than just your 'Christian right' who see things through Gods eyes.
What of your Christian charity under fire from Rocky Bama? Looks like the gov't wants to corner the market on charity.....Didn't Rocky Bama take charitable away?

Tell your gay buddies they ought to literally thank God we're a Christian nation.
You know, Islam has no time for homosexuals.....

 

[SparrowHawk]

I am curious. Why is it that the christian right has no problem saying that government should be used to prohibit anything gay, abortion, stem cell research too name a few, but does not think the government should be used to help the poor? Doesn't the bible mention something about 'the least among us"?

This is not a religious issue it's more political. This country was founded upon the basic premise of individual Liberty. This was supported by the COTUS. Additionally society has the right to make rules, social norms etc.

I have always erred on the side of the individual, others don't share that viewpoint. Do I think Abortion is murder? I absolutely do! Do I think that being gay is deviant, against nature and my spiritual beliefs? YES I DO.

Do I think that there is a role for Government in saying yes or no to the above examples? Yes, however it is extremely limited. Limited in that essentially abortion is elective surgery and any minor having elective surgery should have parental consent. If little Sally Slut Puppy were having a boob job @ 16, Mommy would have to sign off on it. Why no parental consent to suck a fetus into a sink? Yet another moral inconsistency on the Progressive side.

Now onto Gay marriage, Does the government/society have the right to tell a property owner if he/she can build and operate a strip club/porn shop/brothel on a specific piece of property? If your answer is yes then in turn society has the right to say no to gay marriage as the core value in both is sexual in nature.

 

[Ms Tree]

Now onto Gay marriage, Does the government/society have the right to tell a property owner if he/she can build and operate a strip club/porn shop/brothel on a specific piece of property? If your answer is yes then in turn society has the right to say no to gay marriage as the core value in both is sexual in nature.

Interesting analogy but I fail to see the link. Zoning laws affect the people in the community whether it be a city block, town or the whole damn state depending on the project. The only people affected by the right to marry are the consenting adults involved in the marriage. No one else has the right to have a say. Your analogy fails for there is no correlation.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Interesting analogy but I fail to see the link. Zoning laws affect the people in the community whether it be a city block, town or the whole damn state depending on the project. The only people affected by the right to marry are the consenting adults involved in the marriage. No one else has the right to have a say. Your analogy fails for there is no correlation.

The point was if the state has the right to stop you from building a porn shop don't they in turn have the right to regulate marriage. We have laws restricting marriage between siblings, 1st cousins, children. I don't think the government has the right to prohibit a porn shop. The correlation is simple, Does individual Liberty trump the government in all situations or if not then who draws the line?

 

[Ms Tree]

Zoning laws as in the example you are used to protect the citizens. Putting a porn shop or brothel by a school has the potential to harm children. A community has the right to protect their property value and well being by being able to specify where business are located an where private homes are located.

Marriage restrictions regarding relatives is a health and safety issue. Look at the Amish for proof of that. Marriage restrictions against gays protect no one from anything. The only people affected by the marriage are the people involved in the marriage. There is no over riding concern that the state has in preventing gay marriage.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Zoning laws as in the example you are used to protect the citizens. Putting a porn shop or brothel by a school has the potential to harm children. A community has the right to protect their property value and well being by being able to specify where business are located an where private homes are located.

So property rights trumps an individual rights? Does this extend to Eminent Domain for the purpose of economic redevelopment is OK by you?

Marriage restrictions regarding relatives is a health and safety issue. Look at the Amish for proof of that. Marriage restrictions against gays protect no one from anything. The only people affected by the marriage are the people involved in the marriage. There is no over riding concern that the state has in preventing gay marriage.

If as above the rights of a community supersede the rights of the individual then consistency of thought would at least imply that a community could deny Gay Marriage, Prostitution based on a real or imagined danger to their community?

It's about the rights of the individual versus the rights of a society. I choose the side of individual Liberty every time. Unfortunately I'm in the minority although society seems to be drifting my way

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes, a community has the right to designate certain areas for certain functions. Eminent domain is separate issue but I do agree with it in it's most narrow interpretation. School, freeway or some other such public works yes, private football stadium no. I think the SCOTUS screwed up on that one but what do you expect from activist right wing judges right? 😛

Well at least you used prostitution and not bestiality as an equivalent even though neither are. As we discussed else where, I have no issue with a regulated prostitution industry and I do not think the state has the right to prohibit it. There is no state interest in prohibiting gay marriage.

I seriously doubt that. I am pretty sure that if your next door neighbor decided to get into the fireworks business I am pretty sure your first call would be to the zoning board to let them know this was not a good idea. Allowing such a venture would place your life at risk and destroy the value of your home. Communities have the right to control their environment. So long as there is a proven interest it is OK. No such proof has been shown in the case of gay marriage.

The only case against gay marriage is religious and that is not a state interest. Hows that for bringing the thread back on topic lol.

 

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