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Nope. You did not even address the subject but no surprise there. I'll try it again.

What is wrong with allowing religious freedom (not what the dictators allowed) but keeping religious practices private (on private property, in churches or temples etc) and out of the public sector (not using any public lands, funds ...etc)?

Because it's impossible.

People don't park their morals, values & ethics at the statehouse door anymore than you park your atheism at the gas chamber door.

You want me to suspend my Christianity and all of the moral, values and ethics that being a Christian entails while an atheist like Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il perpetuate the slaughter of millions of lives in the name of atheism? Sorry not today, perhaps tomorrow.
 
Because it's impossible.

People don't park their morals, values & ethics at the statehouse door anymore than you park your atheism at the gas chamber door.

You want me to suspend my Christianity and all of the moral, values and ethics that being a Christian entails while an atheist like Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il perpetuate the slaughter of millions of lives in the name of atheism? Sorry not today, perhaps tomorrow.

Very well stated and my sentiments 'exactly'!
 
Very well stated and my sentiments 'exactly'!

Thanks, have you ordered your "Obama Magical Misery Tour T-Shirt yet?

Socialism is great right up until you run out of other peoples money to confiscate
 
WRONG!

Not influence, but rather a state sponsored religion of any kind. You could look it up. It's a huge difference. Remember the goal of the founding fathers was individual Liberty

Which all region opposes, hence the need and directive to dispense with it. There has never, in the history of mankind, been a religion who's purpose wasn't to subjugate and enslave the will of the people. The founding fathers knew this, and knew that any religion the state endorsed would, without exception, eventually be used by the government as a last (or sometimes first) resort to get whatever it wanted out of the people when legitimate methods fail.

You still see this today in churches that insist jesus has a right to 10% of your income. Think what you want, but without people pushing back against this tide, you will have a theocracy sooner or later. Because reverting to what we are actually founded on means getting religion, all of it, washed out of the public sector is effective against this tyranny, of course those in favor of religious zealotry oppose it. No surprise there. But, as I've said previously, the free and much more efficient flow of information and ideas presents a more effective counter to this problem, and I would suspect that its days are numbered.

We'll never erradicate this sickness anymore so than we will common superstition. But, like any other perversion, what you do at home is your business. We just don't need to see it in public. And we are certainly getting tired of paying for it as well.


That's what atheism looks like.
Is that what you propose?

No, that's what tyranny looks like. And while it is no better than religious tyranny it is far less common. Saying religion is acceptable because some so-called atheists were bad is like saying since there are exotic diseases out there than can kill you, there's simply no point in ever washing your hands or wiping after take a dump, etc...


Then you're not looking hard enough.

We forever hear the argument of those who have committed atrocities in the name of religion along with the body count.

So let's compare the body count of avowed atheists like Stalin and the guy in North Korea to the religious zealots. You don't see how it compares because atheists are murdering thugs devoid of morality compared to their Christian and Islamic friends.

That make it clear enough for you


Taking your argument that these people killed only for reasons relating to lack of faith at face value, which is of course impossible, no, religion is still far worse, as it spans nearly all of human history. From the beginnings of slavery to everything you can read for your self in exodus (since you believe in that garbage), through the inquistion, the holocaust, right up to today's current struggles with islam, there is no question religion and god is the problem.


Because it's impossible.

People don't park their morals, values & ethics at the statehouse door anymore than you park your atheism at the gas chamber door.

You want me to suspend my Christianity and all of the moral, values and ethics that being a Christian entails while an atheist like Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il perpetuate the slaughter of millions of lives in the name of atheism? Sorry not today, perhaps tomorrow.


If you mean what christian values actually are, yes, you should suspend them unless you'd like to do serious time. Again, I'm always surprised by the lack of general knowledge as to what their faith actually is all about from the christian and muslim crowds. Adhereing to your books would be quite criminal by modern standards, and for good reason.

Just as technical aside, how can you say that stalin & pol pot are perpetuating a slaughter? They're both quite dead.


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Atheism is NOT a faith! It is an absence of faith. Ergo, that wonderful post is irrelevant.
 
Atheism is NOT a faith! It is an absence of faith.


Yeah, we know that and have been saying as much for about 30 pages here. Welcome to the party...

It not being a faith is what makes it better than having a faith. Quite a lot like how not having a cancer is better than having one...
 
Yeah, we know that and have been saying as much for about 30 pages here. Welcome to the party...

It not being a faith is what makes it better than having a faith. Quite a lot like how not having a cancer is better than having one...

Unless of course you're a murdering b*stard like Stalin who singlehandedly was responsible for the death of between 30 and 50 million citizens of his so called communist regime.

So as to the cancer, God may not cure me but Stalin will kill me for sure. Bottom line is Atheism kills
 
Because it's impossible.

People don't park their morals, values & ethics at the statehouse door anymore than you park your atheism at the gas chamber door.

You want me to suspend my Christianity and all of the moral, values and ethics that being a Christian entails while an atheist like Stalin,

Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il perpetuate the slaughter of millions of lives in the name of atheism? Sorry not today, perhaps tomorrow.


You have a fascinating talent of responding in away that completely avoids the issue that I was referring to.

Of course morality and ethics cannot be checked T the door. However you can leave the ten commandments.off the court room building. No one has to swear to god to tell the truth. There is no need to pray at every public function known to man. There is no need for an elected.official to sponsor a prayer event. There is no need to have a Christmas tree or menorah on public grounds (Thats what churches and times are for.... Along with all the praying you folks seem to have to do). There is no need to pay for a chaplain in a publicly funded military. ...And the list goes on.
 
There is no need to pay for a chaplain in a publicly funded military. ...

But, just maybe those in charge of the military find that it is beneficial to have a chaplain. A lot of things are done for our service men and women to make their life in the service better.

Haven't you noticed that the government does a lot of things that aren't necessary but they do it to promote good will.
 
Second amendment is quite clear. Pretty sure that is a violation of it. It will stand just like a lot of the other BS because not many have the time, money or inclination to fight it.
 
Second amendment is quite clear. Pretty sure that is a violation of it. It will stand just like a lot of the other BS because not many have the time, money or inclination to fight it.

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Who was on first... 😛
 
Perhaps you should console research as to what those mean. By not having a chaplain no one is prohibited from practicing their faith. Having a chaplain paid for with tax payer money is government established religion. Using your interpretation would essentially nullify the 1st since it would be contradicting its self.
 
Perhaps you should console research as to what those mean. By not having a chaplain no one is prohibited from practicing their faith. Having a chaplain paid for with tax payer money is government established religion. Using your interpretation would essentially nullify the 1st since it would be contradicting its self.

Don't pay it.
Send USA a Bill and proclaim your objection.
:lol:
 
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