August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

Previous captains. Allowed per your ops manual.

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[Phoenix]

And? Why don't you worry more about why we lost ANOTHER grievance YDFF.

Are you talking about defending an ALPA authored contract? YASDEEFDISA!

 

[Claxon]

??? So everyone's going to be walking around with four stripes now? Just becuase you are typed in the aircraft does not mean you are a captain.

Bean

Stop an East pilot at an airport and ask them that question. I am confident they will be very patient with you in their response.

 

[Claxon]

??? So everyone's going to be walking around with four stripes now? Just becuase you are typed in the aircraft does not mean you are a captain.

Bean

I do not know the uniform policy of the america west pilots but in the following video you get to see an america west pilot f/o and capt uniform. :28 is mike daley and at 6:22 is eddie chandler, they were scabbing in Australia at the time. Were they wearing the proper uniforms?

I know you west pilots are into pompasass and circumstances and set a good example of pilot uniforms in your video while you were scabbing and recruiting scabs in Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Claxon]

Randy the america west airline scab pilot has a nice uniform

http://aircrewbuzz.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-1-pilot-at-us-airways-retires.html

 

[Claxon]

United merger attempt

Before the two airlines officially issued a statement calling off the deal, US Airways said it was disappointed that the merger won't go through.
"We nevertheless must respect the Justice Department's decision," the Arlington, Va.-based airline said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=87893&page=1

 

[Claxon]

Deja vu of the soon to be announced menage a trois. Good luck Doug.


Previous attempt at a merger by US Airways with United.

"United and US Airways had sought to allay regulators' antitrust concerns with plans for a new airline partly owned by American Airlines to take over US Airways flights out of Washington and by letting American take more than half of US Airways East Coast shuttles."

United and US Airways had sought to allay regulators' antitrust concerns with plans for a new airline partly owned by American Airlines to take over US Airways flights out of Washington and by letting American take more than half of US Airways East Coast shuttles.
But regulators said the manufactured competition could not replace true market-driven competition.
American said it won't proceed with plans to assume US Airways flights if the merger did not go through.
The decision was also a blow for a proposed new airline called DC Air, created by Black Entertainment Television founder Robert L. Johnson. "

 

[traderjake]

I do not know the uniform policy of the america west pilots but in the following video you get to see an america west pilot f/o and capt uniform.

Your avatar boyfriend is going to be jealous of your video boyfriend.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Wouldn't it be special if those Third Listers and the hundreds of incoming new hires combined with 1500 West Pilots voted USAPA off the island?

I hear there are some woodworking craftsmen in their ranks and they are designing a new box to collect the signature cards.....

Insert Emoticon......

Third listers know that you guys will strip them of their time they serve with company just to get ahead. Wouldn't it be nice if the company sold the East to American and left you with PHX and USAPA? That would be ironic.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Calm down hero. Just because you helped ruin thousands of careers with your "experiment" (your word) and now go out of your way to help the company, doesn't mean you need to project your failure on others. I know you're having it rough with the family issues as well and come to these boards to vent, but you need to man up and accept responsibility for your actions.

Oh. Now when you can't make your argument you bring up family issues as a repost. How sad. Takes a real man to call someone out for family issues. Sounds like a Marty Harper argument. However, since you can't argue the law I will tell you that everyone has family issues. Some more and some less. Having said that, your time and appearance on this board must mean that you have NO life and a real failure. If you hate life and you hate the pilots you are condemned to work with why are you still here Coward?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Figured as much. No regrets at all for messing up our careers and now you go out of your way to aid the company. Nice job hero.

You bet, Coward. How's that name calling working out for you, Coward?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Figured as much. No regrets at all for messing up our careers and now you go out of your way to aid the company. Nice job hero.

Or should I say Scab?

 

[end_of_alpa]

??? So everyone's going to be walking around with four stripes now? Just becuase you are typed in the aircraft does not mean you are a captain.

Bean

Really? So what defines a "Captain"?

 

[end_of_alpa]

??? So everyone's going to be walking around with four stripes now? Just becuase you are typed in the aircraft does not mean you are a captain.

Bean

Let me help you out Bean.

The bottom E-190 "Captain" was hired 2/27/2012. Almost 18 months with the company. He MUST possess an ATP, First Class medical and a type rating. When he was hired and trained he was already typed by the Company in the E-190. So assuming he was already in the right seat of the 190 he would be in a short course for about 10 days, get IOE and be on the line in another 2-3 weeks. According to the contract, he would get 2nd year Captain pay on the E-190.

Now I don't know his background but lets let out some legal hypotheticals. First, the Company (not the union) can interview and hire under the new regs only pilots with an ATP. An ATP candidate needs 1500 min plus a few other sub-details. He would most likely be required to have a a first class medical as so called proof of upgradability.

Now the Company doesn't care about seniority, they DON'T want to pay for it. This is clearly spelled out in both the Transition agreement AND the MOU. So you tell me, which is more cost effective for the Company...this same person flying Captain on the 190, wouldn't it be MORE cost effective to, without seniority, type him in the 330 and have him fly Captain at whatever pay they want to pay him and get rid of Captains that get paid a whole lot more?

What if the Company holds out bids based on who will fly the position for less rather than who gets the position by their years if service with the Company? Forget the stripes (eye candy) and focus on the problem. Btw, ask that new captain on the 190 if he would like to have the company hire direct entry Captains for the bigger equipment(equate more money) and get back to me.

 

[Res Judicata]

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, JJ.

You're finger prints are ALL OVER this illegal abortion you created and the responsibility for over a BILLION lost dollars and thousands of permanently devalued careers rests at your feet along with the rest of those Scabs posing next to the USAPA coffin at the NMB. You change your tune, justify, and point fingers in every direction to deflect your actual responsibility in this. Exactly as a scab does. You don't fool anyone.

Don't worry though. No matter what you do from here on out. Everybody will remember. Forever. Don't bother trying to revise history, it won't work. You we're material in creating this Supreme FAILURE and you God Damned well know it. We all do.